Morehead City, N.C.

Nov.8, 2020

TO THE EDITOR:

Well, well, well. Who was expecting two waves this most auspicious week? A blue and a red?

What a marvel. American activists motivated roughly thirty million Americans to vote who had not voted in 2016, for a total of about 150 million. What a show of civic engagement. What a display of democracy. And all relatively quiet.

Let us stand up and take a collective bow. We showed the world we can do it.

Sure, there will be much gnashing of teeth, disappointment and recriminations on both sides in the months to come. Loads to discuss and write about.

But something precious was gained this week. Our demonstration of voter power and most especially the razor thin margins (oh, Lordy!) guarantee against voter complacency in the future. There will be no going back to “life as usual,” no rest for us, be-cause now we know that neither side can afford to give an inch.

We will all need to sustain our readiness for battle (with the occasional nap…). How does that saying go? Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. Welcome to vigilance as situation normal.

SUSAN SCHURER

(136) comments

JusticeForAll

Frankly, political races should be close. If one party dominates, then there are obvious flaws in the system. And could you site factual proof on your statement, "What a marvel. American activists motivated roughly thirty million Americans to vote who had not voted in 2016, for a total of about 150 million." Thank you.

drewski

The flaws in a 2 party system go back to the whigs and tories. It is too easy as we see now, to sow rancor and discord with only two viable options. Multiple parties with different objectives forming majority coalitions seems a much better option. IE: Israel.

mpjeep

I agree, ski, but it's been tried before. It's seems difficult to get up a 3rd party and I don't consider Independents or Libertarians as a 3rd Choice. As with most things, it's good to have an odd number.

David Collins

More like a ripple !

mpjeep

Yes, more like two small ripples, but with an eventual big splash. Not sure if the entire world cared how many folks voted, but most countries certainly didn’t want a US President that would hold their feet to the fire and they got it.

Eternal vigilance could mean the opportunity to take away someone else's liberty.

I would add “constant vigilance”. We must always be alert and watchful against threats. Always being on the lookout for danger.

Our government, FBI and Police, asked us to be aware of our surroundings, be vigilant and on the lookout for suspicious packages and people and to report our suspicions. Constant vigilance, even with our own government and media sources, is required these days.

Thomas Jefferson: Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -- The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -- The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

morehood city res

so about 140 million people didn't vote. wonder if it would have still been a close race or not if they did. viable 3rd party or even more would be the best. guess we came close with the tea party and then kanye's birthday party.

David Collins

Of the 140 million , there are millions that are not allowed to vote legally . Resident aliens on visa’s and the shadow population .

drewski

Guess we will never know, since part of gop agenda was limiting the census, despite the constituation clearly saying " all persons" funny how the Bible and Constitution are only important when the words align with your agenda?

Always A Teacher

There are 328.2 million people in the US. 150 million cast votes. That leaves 178.2 million people, most of them too young to vote, too lazy to vote by any means available to them, and those that simply do not care.

morehood city res

okay even if the # that wasn't allowed to vote was 40 million, that still leaves 100 million that didn't vote.

dc

Wasn't there at one case in which more voted than were registered or something like that? Some strange things seemed to happen that either haven't happened in past elections or we just weren't aware that they did. Lots of stuff to look into & at at least try to clean up. Too many different & unreliable, untrustworthy, etc rules & methods for a free & fair election. That human & now machine element leaves lots of room for cheating.

dc

Is vote harvesting a sign of free & fair elections? Know a case in which a person got to visit last Thursday their 96 year-old parent in a nursing home in-person for the first time in months. The 96 year-old parent's dementia comes & goes but is probably severe enough so that they probably would not know who or what they're voting for & certainly isn't capable of filling out a ballot but stated to her daughter that she had voted.

dc

Can they but more importantly will the politicians & judges get this mess cleaned up? The tools seem to be available but will they use them effectively & in good faith. "Big Data to the Rescue: The Electoral College Meets Data Pattern Science". By Jay Valentine.

dc

Some civics, history & other lessons for who might believe they're well-informed along with interesting comments: "The Founders Outsmarted the Presidential Election Fraudsters". By Gary Gindler.

dc

A Canadian's point of view. Interesting & informative. "The 2020 Election: Fact or Fiction?" By David Solway.

dc

A snapshot of who, what & where & what may be in the future. "2020 Election Fraud on Steroids". By R. D. Wedge.

dc

"Mainstream Media United in Forcing 'President-Elect' Biden Down Your Throat"

By Mark Laudsbaum. Plenty to see here. Twenty-three thousand in PA with returned dates earlier than mailed dates. One GA county 15,000 voted who were not residents. Some voted in other places. Just minor stuff don't you know.

mpjeep

Yep, dc.

drewski

I understand if you put sugar and yeast on those sour grapes, let it sit a few days then strain and bottle it by the midterms you will have a lot of Whine.

David Collins

....The GOP wanted a citizenship question on the census form . Just like voter ID some liberal judge shot it down and it was to late for the forms to be changed . Speaking of the census , you mean the same census where the census takers just made up the answers when they found no one home . That census ? It is about allocation of funding , money , $$$ and representatives . All of which equates to Power . Sure , cheaters are us were out in full force, just like in the swing states for the General . No doubt they will pull it off because the federal courts do not wish to get involved in states messes . Not enough time for anything to come of anything anyway .

I am really beyond caring who wins what , too old . I’ll gotten gains have a way of working themselves out . Just that right is right and wrong is wrong , no matter how much lipstick you put on that pig . Not the first time we have seen this behavior and it was wrong then as well .

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Sleepwalker

Dark is light and light is dark....

mpjeep

Well for some “Good Political News”, we can see what the NC General Assembly has been doing this year.

1- NC Elections, stumping

2- Covid-19 ?

3- Gerrymandering to redraw voting districts

4- Senate Bill 782 -- GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NORTH CAROLINA SESSION 2019 SESSION LAW 2020-84 SENATE BILL 782 *S782-v-6* AN ACT AMENDING THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS TO RAISE THE LIMIT ON MERCHANDISE SALES FOR POLITICAL PARTIES.

After much debate they finally decide on a $20,000 limit. Not sure what it was before the debate. But I’m so happy they raised the limits on their own campaign laws. Kinda like the fox guarding the chicken coop!

Politicians worrying about politicians and not their constituents!

morehood city res

remember when everyone teased democrats after the 2016 election results and said get over it he won. does that mean that the cheating went the other way back then? or all of a sudden there is a enough cheating now that its a problem since someone didn't get re-elected. oh wait maybe it's this deep state that you all pine over and complain about. stop counting the votes (in states where red is in the lead), keep counting votes (in states where red is behind) ? really. maybe you can start a 'red votes matter' movement and peacefully protest. or wait, here's a good one, you don't like it then leave the country. your own medicine don't taste too good does it.

drewski

There is precedent for what you suggest MCR, after the radical left won the American Revolution, The tories who were loyal to the king fled the country. When their cause was defeated, about 15 percent of the Loyalists (65,000–70,000 people) fled to other parts of the British Empire, to Britain itself, or to British North America (now Canada) So perhaps a caravan and tent city on the grounds of Mar-a- lago. I am sure they will be welcomed by the exiled king Donald the Bloated. Ruler of the golden arches?

David Collins

Cheating goes on everywhere in this world . That is why we have laws . Laws matter .

Clinton got more votes than trump , just not in all the right states . Everyone knows that . I said that I am beyond caring who wins this one but the process must be as fair and free of cheating as possible . Right now we are the laughing stock for many third world nations because we can not even hold a proper election . We might well have the ability to destroy civilization a few times over but ensure that elections are free of cheating , nope . Something as simple as that is beyond us . Sad ! Everything reaches a tipping point and this is it for me . Believe I will do myself a favor and sit the next few out , thank you very much .

dc

You mean the Ds especially Hilliary are finally over it? Nope, y'all will never get over it even if you'll finally successful on a four-year long coup. Rs winning the house in '22 will do until '24. Haley v. Harris maybe? Could be Trump/Haley v. Harris/& your other favorite Marxist.

mpjeep

LOL, dc......so true!

dc

Sydney Powell either will do what she says she intends to do about this deep & wide fraud or she will be handcuffed by what purports to be a democracy. I believe her. It might be another Kennedy/Nixon where nothing was done until after the fraud won & exposed too late. We shall see.

SgtRock1968

Yes! Sydney Powell! Unleash the Kraken! Soon ... soon we will see this giant crustacean leap from the Potomac River, devouring Democrats as they flee in ideological disarray! Trump Forever! MAGA! MAGA! MAGA! (Pantpantpant ...).

David Collins

Biden suggesting Clinton for UN Ambasador . How about posting her in Benghazi . Am quite sure there are those there that would love to see her .

dc

Sounds like good horror movie ending.

dc

David, don't let this election discourage you from voting. That would play right into their hands. My wife has a magnetic note on the fridge that says, "Republicans who stay home elect Democrats". So, don't give up the ship. The ship's current CO & XO have turned around the effectiveness, efficiency & overall readiness in all respects compared to the previous command & has greatly improved at least many of the old crew's morale. Sadly, there have & are still many leftovers from the old crew who have tried & are still trying to undermine the great work this CO, XO & others in the crew have accomplished. Even if the underminers succeed in replacing this CO, XO & crewmembers who support them this old ship will continue to proudly fly the flag of the greatest country on the planet. Sadly, we have to accept there are those aboard & landlubbers ashore who disrespect it. Keep the faith shipmate for there will hopefully be another great skipper & navigator in this old ship's future. He/she may not be as wise as this one but our country does still produce an occasional old salt & exceptional leader. Just maybe this old girl will get lucky enough to welcome another real leader aboard once it's realized those trying by any means possible to replace a once-in-a-lifetime great leader & that the underminers are a detriment to a proud ship & its continued ability to complete its mission.

drewski

Bligh was an outstanding navigator, Trump a showman. Both lost their commands because leadership requires more then a single skill set. While bligh made a recovery, i dont see fair winds and following seas for trump going foreward.

dc

"What's Kraken?". By Clarice Feldman. Guess we will just have to wait & see. Something may be Kraken & then it may not be Kraken. Think Sydney may know more than any of us do?

drewski

Now, how crooked are all of levels of govt not to take it serious

A better question might be " just how gullible are trumpists? The bombshell affidavit about ballot , was retracted and it was revealed to have been scripted by project veritas.. who are now facing legal jeopardy( again) if you only hear one side, its a half truth at best!

David Collins

Do not know about Trump being a ruler of the Golden Arches but I do know he came out of nowhere to become President . Something you never will achieve , not in your wildest dreams . Besides , MCD , with a dividend rate of $1.29 paid quarterly will snag you with $12,900.00 / 10k block . Hope he keeps munching for a while .

dc

"Sidney Powell gives details about election fraud Kraken". By Andrea Widburg. Here's your Kraken. Anybody want to dispute it?

dc

JB came out of nowhere too old to leave the basement until he was crowned & then he & his favorite CA Marxist sashays on stage to be throned. With no need for any work if you can even call it that because they or at least he knew the setup because he forgot & told us about the fraud. Could have just as easily been Bernie but he wouldn't have been as believable as JB and he may not have been crooked enough to go along. Got to believe Sidney that she has the evidence on the software. Now, how crooked are all of levels of govt not to take it serious.

drewski

" came out of no where" what an odd assertation, considering he was flirting with politics for decades.

dc

Uh, "nowhere" as until SC. Duh.

mpjeep

Leftist nonprofits and activist judges across the country made many changes to election rules in the months leading up to the vote, including an unprecedented expansion of mail-in voting.

Mailing ballots to outdated voter rolls and ignoring Chain-of-custody laws. Ballot harvesting, long a tradition of the corrupt Democratic party, was introduced in some places for the first time.

Even more egregious than voter fraud are cases where election bureaucrats or activist judges simply ignored restrictions that GOP legislatures had passed into law.

Any reasonable person can look at changes to voter election laws and conclude they create conditions ripe for fraud and abuse. Only the most naïve observer would conclude that there was “no fraud” in the election. Of course there was, and everyone knows it.

Whether it was enough to change the outcome of the election, we’ll probably never know, partly because the kind of abuses and criminal activity by mass mail-in voting are hard to detect and even harder to prove in court.

David Collins

To flirt is not to actually kiss . Any number of folks have flirted but thought better of it . Don’t they call that an exploratory committee ? He did it , actually pulled it off .

drewski

Only the most naïve observer would conclude that there was “no fraud” in the election. Of course there was, and everyone knows it.

Not everyone knows it, some people are desperate to beleive it, which is not the same thing. In all elections the are a very few examples of improper votes. Saying its massive, and so well hidden as to invisible, is irrational thinking. What most people know, even some Republicans is biden won, fair and square. Trumps mental health issues will never allow him to admit it. 2024 is coming he will do everything in his power to keep in the limelight, and keep the gop cowed under dire threat of angry tweet. Imagine his humiliation if he loses by 10 million then. His neice a PhD, said flat out he will not run again and risk losing again. Despite her axe to grind, she knows him better then any of us.

dc

You need to follow the Dominion software thing along with other big ticket red flags. The ability for fraudsters to so easiy manipulate & add thousands to tens of thousands or more of votes to one party's candidate while subtracting same or different number from the other party's candidate is where the major win-or-lose vote tabulations are hidden from we the unsuspecting. All the other fraud of whatever kind & size shouldn't be taken lightly but the computerized stuff is the real major league ball game & where the focus is or should be. Seems some if not all of this stuff was purposefully designed to do exactly what it has done. Too many discrepancies & "coincidentials" not to be taken very seriously. Until somebody can convince me Sidney Powell isn't telling it like it is then sticking with her is the wiser of who ti trust. This is just the latest & not at all surprising attempt from the Leftists (we know them all) working 4 years overtime trying to delegitimize this president & his good work by any belly-crawling means. This country has taken a turn down a very dark road with unpredictable turns & disasters waiting to up the road if you can manage stay on it & live for the next deadly hazard. Now, as the president promised vaccines imminent with predictable market response. Naturally, this wasn't known & couldn't be released until after the election after all he was not at all responsible. Just ask any of the usual enemies of the people. The NY nursing home disastrous gov, his brilliant superboy brother, along with their Commie mayor is what makes that state & city anything but great looking. So, their folks need to elect/hire them for life. Residents moving in droves. Hope they settle any place but here.

dc

Doesn't look like the president has suffered a mutiny unless the support we've seen is fake news. Willing to wait for a lot more info before proof a lot fewer that voted for him in '16 didn't again. Didn't he get more votes this time? What does that mean? Doubled black women & improved with others? That's a mutiny? Going forward the average citizen like you & I might have more to be concerned about unless the fraud can be cleaned up & the president continues his great work four more years.

mpjeep

And the illustrious Gov. Cuomo said he would rather let people die that let New Yorkers take the vaccine until after Biden takes office. Another Great Democratic Leader. Right!

mpjeep

Crooked Democrats....

In his climb up the political ladder, James Laski took some of the same steps as another figure who cut his political teeth in Chicago -- President Barack Obama.

James went to prison. The other one should have.

dc

What was that about charities? "More Biden nonprofit hanky-panky : Cancer charity raised and spent millions on salaries and travel , zero for cancer research". By Thomas Lifson.

dc

Too much to keep watching real peaceful supporters of this president gathering only to be brutally attacked by a bunch of nothing but Leftist thugs. He may have at best luke warm backing from the spineless career politicians but he has some 70 million or more strong of us every day citizens. You & the Marxist D Party keep your thugs & we will keep supporting a man working for the country as compared to two at best jokes leading the mob.

dc

Significant problems in NV & GA probably small potatoes compared to the software designed to flip (steal) elections.

dc

"The numbers prove voter fraud". By James Nollet. This is only common sense. JB got 18-20 million more votes. Anybody really believe that?

drewski

Lol, someone tweets a rumor they imagined in a fever dream, it is retweeted about, then oann makes a story citing multiple sources,soon dan oingoboingo has a podcast, then trump sees it retweets the link and suddenly the fever dream is reality, then we can expect it to be posted ad nauseam in the news times. When debunked, its either fake news, the deep state, or some other bizarre rationalization. Tumps lawsuits have all withered on the vine. Got actual proof show it, let's see it pass muster in court, where facts matter and there are penalties for lies otherwise its just rumor.

mpjeep

Love the passion of Dan Bongino, who is going through a tumor on his neck, that is most likely cancerous.

mpjeep

Biden makes weak statement about Trump MAGA supporters getting attacked in DC. Of course this was coming from a weak person overall.

drewski

Yes dan bongino, odd that, presidential detail, then to unarmed instructor position at fletc, then 8 yrs from a federal pension leaves the secret service. His co workers are quoted as saying " he often overstated his role in ops" hmm. ...

But he attacks the the left with such

" passion" so therefore he must be credible.

Personally I find more credibility in side show barkers at a small county fair.

mpjeep

Dan Bongino leads the MAGA field in stolen-election messaging.

Sleepwalker

In person purple finger voting... with standardized voting machines. The country can’t get an election right much like a 3rd world country...apparently.

dc

Could be wrong but believe they pulled cases from state courts & filed in federal.

dc

"Barr's DOJ Prosecuting Dems 'Ringing Up' Votes in Philly". By John Keller. About time something is done before its in the distant past & meaningless.

dc

Two out 159 GA counties find pro-Trump votes. Minor stuff? This was most secure election in history? BS. Down ballot Rs won this supposed "blue.wave" election with this president leading the charge. Too many D connections with Dominion to believe this election wasn't stolen.

drewski

What were the numbers? 2600 votes not counted. 800 of those for trump? So if the explanation of failed optical reader is untrue,( a deep state lie no doubt) and it was a dem plot to discount 800 votes, can we assume a republican plot for the 1800 biden votes not counted?

mpjeep

It's irrelevant who won at this point, I guess, it's about whether or not you can trust the system.

Jimmy Carter co-chaired a bipartisan commission that in 2005 labeled absentee ballots the easiest way to commit election fraud. Of course now he has changed his mind.

Al Gore said he didn’t trust mail in voting in 2000. Of course he’s changed his mind now.

Can both of these two guys have been wrong in the past?

JusticeForAll

Trump's "last stand" will go down in infamy. No amount of conspiracy theories are going to justify or prove his claims. His behavior is closer to Stalin and Hitler than any of the honorable men who have held the office of President. He missed the memo that the United States is for all the people, who as a nation, put forth the efforts to choose who they regard the best person to fulfill the highest office. He was not elected this time.

mpjeep

It is a fact that mail-in balloting opens elections to the likelihood of fraud,

Once the counting starts, mail-in voting brings problems of a haphazard chain of custody and reduced controls over voter-eligibility verification.

France banned mail-in voting in the 1970s for these very reasons.

mpjeep

Georgia had an 80 percent chance to go for Trump on election night, but so many ballots came in for Biden “overnight” that the state swung to Biden.

Dozens of witnesses have signed affidavits attesting wrongdoing or highly inappropriate behavior from officials who are supposed to be impartial.

Detroit poll challengers have signed affidavits, that they saw election workers counting ballots for non-eligible voters and the double counting of voters.

GOP poll watchers in Michigan said they were ushered from the room by the police when military ballots came in.

Another Detroit GOP poll challenger says she witnessed names on ballots not coming up in the system but being counted nonetheless. When she raised concerns she was kicked out.

Sworn affidavits by several U.S. Postal Service employees, in at least Pennsylvania and Michigan, along with a city employee from Detroit, alleged they were asked to backdate ballots.

In Philadelphia, GOP poll challengers had to sue to be allowed to observe what election workers were doing. Photos of Philly vote counters show several women wearing Biden masks. In Philadelphia, GOP poll challengers had to sue to be allowed to observe what election workers were doing.

Georgia GOP state party chair claims Fulton County election officials told his observers to go home on election night because they were closing up, but then continued to count ballots “in secret.”

A conservative pollster, Richard Baris, claims to have found evidence of 10,000 deceased persons voting in Michigan.

Pennsylvania far exceeded its record for 90-year-olds registering to vote.

Nevada, multiple witnesses signed sworn affidavits that they saw a “Biden-Harris” van filling out loads of ballots.

Yes, Republicans have at least anecdotal evidence of fraud, although in one sense the media is right: these anecdotes are not evidence enough to overturn the election. That’s because there’s no way to quantify any of this evidence into an actual number of bad votes, even assuming all these claims are well-founded.

dc

One more piece to the massive fraud puzzle. "Red Flags in Wisconsin and Minnesota". By Anne-Christine Hoff.

mpjeep

Vote dumps in Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Pennsylvania resulted in Biden quickly jumping above Trump, and the odds of a Trump win plummeting. Michigan added almost 150,000 votes in one instance, all of which were for Biden except for about 6,000.

On election night, Trump led in Pennsylvania by almost 800,000 votes. The next morning, Trump’s lead shrunk to less than 100,000. Later, ballots found, including those apparently lingering with the U.S. Postal Service, supposedly put Biden over the edge.

The spookiest thing thrown about in conservative circles involves allegations that Dominion the voting hardware and software used in a vast number of states and in all the swing states, changed vote tallies from Trump to Biden, or deleted Trump votes. What is certainly true is there were several Dominion related errors, all of which took votes from Trump and gave them to Biden.

mpjeep

It's irrelevant who won at this point, I guess, it's about whether or not you can trust the system.

Jimmy Carter co-chaired a bipartisan commission that in 2005 labeled absentee ballots the easiest way to commit election fraud. Of course now he has changed his mind.

Al Gore said he didn’t trust mail in voting in 2000. Of course now he’s changed his mind now.

Surely, these two guys weren’t wrong in the past?

mpjeep

Nevada mailed an absentee ballot to every registered voter this year whether he/she requested one or not. Then received back more than eight times as many mail-in ballots as they did in 2016. Hmmmm.

Under the appearance of supposedly non profit, nonpartisan get-out-the-vote campaigns, Native American voter advocacy groups in Nevada handed out gift cards, electronics, clothing, and other items to voters in tribal areas.

Simply put, this is illegal. Offering voters anything of value in exchange for their vote is a violation of federal election law.

drewski

The majority of voters decided to end the jerry springer presidency. The best election lawyers have all dumped trump, because they know the cases are loosers. Now crazy rudi is in charge.He will no doubt appeal to the Supreme courtyard by marriot. The legal cases are going nowhere. Trumps infantile behaviour, nor endlessly repeated conspiracy theories are going to change the outcome. Time for an adult who listens to experts to lead our nation again. God bless America & President Elect Biden.

mpjeep

Biden “If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong”  Hmmmmm

dc

Oh yes of course we're all well aware that this president came to power under similar circumstances as Hitler & Stalin. To beat HRC he must have right? How many Jews & Russians is he responsible for killing? So many you can't count them right? What a totally asinine statement. No wonder you think Biden won.

drewski

I do agree the hilter comparisons are often over used. However anyone with a basic grasp of history can see the parallels between Hitler and trumps rise to power. It is called demagoguery.. scapegoat a minority, make them responsible for all the ills of society, promise to punish them, and keep repeating that message. Hitler chose jews trump chose illegal immigrints. Rapists, and murderers, they bring disease, and sell drugs to your children. Deport them build a big beautiful wall. He said it over and over and over, at every rally.

More important, in a 1990 vanity fair article trumps first wife said " he keeps a collection of hitlers speeches on the bedside table" That is a matter of public record. So before you scoff at comparisons he is obviously following the demagogue playbook. He is a dangerous lunatic, and our country is better off shed of him.

dc

"An Engineer Explains Why We Must Kill Software-Based Voting". Now we know and there should be no excuses.

Swasnboro_Native

This has been an amusing read. At the end of the day, if the people who are in power over you thought that giving you a temporary privilege of voting could actually harm them in any meaningful way, they wouldn't let you do it. Your vote never counted or mattered and it doesn't now.

dc

Infantile behaviour? Now that is about as laughable as it gets lest you & many have conveniently forgotten. Go back & review what Leftists did when this president was elected & what they have continued to do. Then when his supporters gathered in DC what happened? His staff & other just trying to "eat" Sandman? It's infantile alright & much worse and as usual we can always bet whatever you & your ilk accuses this president of y'all are for sure doing. Beyond any & all hypocrisy. Total BS but we expect it so keep it up.

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dc

Marx, Lenin, Krushev, Hitler, Stalin, Mao & their ilk are all laughing from the grave & Xi is just laughing hilariously at all the useful idiots on the Left & all its useful idiots. Be sure to never mention any CCP blame & give lying JB credit for the vaccine while he laughs at you. Maybe Newsom will invite y'all to dinner & all will be fine.

drewski

Ccp blame? The chineese virus, the Wuhan flu. Punish the chineese!!!

You know or should know the " Spanish flu" was misnamed 50 million dead in 1918/ 19

It was first discovered in Nebraska, USA

So do we owe reparations to the world for that outbreak? It is so easy to just repeat others talking points, it's also not diffacult to do research and have some grasp of the subject you are championing.

drewski

That some people can not even admit trump's infantile behaviour exists speaks volumes. People consumed with opinion hosts from the far right seem totally consumed with fantasy conspiracies to explain the loss of their preferred candidate. Possibly it is a combination of misplaced hero worship, combined with severe disappointment. The result does not seem too far from mass hysteria.

mpjeep

Jiuliani and I are fed up with this voter fraud and we have the evidence to prove it. We must preserve this Republic.

Sometimes you just have to go on a fishing expedition to make a catch.

drewski

Rudi was laughed out of court on tuesday, ranting about a commie plot, widespread voter fraud. No doubt the trumpists here will say "activist judges" or the favored "deep state" The plain fact is Court follows laws and standards, the case and the case law prevail. grandstanding and nonsense speeches just try the judges patience. jeep I certainly hope you are not using the same hair dye as rudi, cause his completely unhinged and nonsensical ranting on fox news today while the sweat washed the hair dye down his face was just soooooo sad, embarrassing and pathetic. Americas mayor, hero of 911 - hitched his wagon to trump and now he is a sad, sad joke. 30 years from now when kids study this era they will say" gee how could so many people be so blind to what a selfish nut job trump was? and the teacher will say " he was a demagogue, and often people are swayed by what they want to hear instead of facts and what is real."

JusticeForAll

And don't worry. Trump will catch a minnow and claim it is a whale.

JusticeForAll

A few thoughts...dc, under your belief system, the people you mentioned turning over in their graves would lead one to think they are not suffering in he!!. Think maybe they might be uninterested in events here. And still waiting on proof of a deity. Yawn.

There was a recent comment on here that compared Biden to Hitler. On a behavior scale, Trump fits the criteria, not Biden. And under Trump, over 250,000 Americans have died due his inaction on this virus, while Trump is flaunting he is responsible for making the pharmaceutical companies find a covid vaccine. That is narcissistic. Shutting down is not the answer, but there are proven scientific methods that could curb the numbers. Trump has made this political. Trump and his "ilk" are promoting the spread of covid and just wondering what number we have to hit to satisfy the obvious absurdity of ignoring science.

And you know, don't remember, once, any of the democrats threatening a civil war when Trump won.

dc

Comparing any U.S. president to Hitler is about as ignorant as it gets. Suspect this president's policies & actions have saved many lives as related to this virus & anybody keeping up with foreign wars have no doubt.. Remember what Fauci said about him saving lives? Guess not. And, you criticized the initial lockdown even after the president listened to your "scientists" & did just that. That's a real head scratcher but not at all surprising. Must have misinterpreted your making light of a need for a shutdown to save lives until more was learned. Does the CCP have responsibility? When have you criticized the CCP cover up & WHO backing China? Certainly our infant president had nothing to do with Operation Warp Speed because big pharma kept it secret from everybody but you right? You must have missed those meetings at the WH with the pharma folks. Did you or did you not support this president at one time? And, you didn't understand him & didn't become an infantile until after the shut down? Exactly why was it the shut down that turned you so bitter? Wasn't there a poster projecting massive deaths & what was your response? Do you remember?

dc

One more time. It's not "China" or the "Chinese people" or the "people if China" unless every "Chinese person" is the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY. it is however the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY (aka CCP) and its COVERUP of the virus. Do you understand that? That's exactly what I've been saying and what I will continue saying. Do you understand? Did Americans as in the people of America try to cover up any virus like the Spanish Flu? The answer is NO. Did the U.S. government try to cover-up the Spanish Flu or any other flu? I don't know. Do you? Wasn't it in the news that a Chinese doctor or researcher wrote or talked about the coverup but conveniently disappeared? It is not surprising that some pretend to not get this. That would spoil your GET TRUMP narrative.

dc

This president with his "behavior" & everything else about him along with the use of social media that many others use but want to deny him has effectively exposed those who have tried to make him an illegimate president while demanding we ALL accept their narrative & worldview. Around half of the country aren't buying the Left's narrative and worldview and refuse to go along to get along and it infuriates them even leading them to violence. They think they've finally reached their goal and maybe they have in eliminating this president from his elected post by hook and by crook, mostly crook. If anyone beiieves or pretends to believe there was not massive election fraud in this election you will see the truth emerge in the near future or maybe in the not so near future but eventually. We've seen the truth revealed too many times before and we will see it again.

dc

Does anyone recall when the truth about Chicago & JFK was revealed?

mpjeep

The truth still hasn't been told about Ted Kennedy's Chappaquiddick Incident. Hmmmm

dc

Just think if not for fraud Nixon would have been elected, JFK not assassinated, LBJ not president & very likely not over 58,000 killed in Vietnam. And, just think if HRC had been elected she would have stopped the CCP virus cover up in its tracks thereby eliminating all travel or immigration restrictions, kept us thoroughly entrenched in ME wars while protecting Iran from mean old Israel, and the list is endless of how better your world would be without the fire-eating, red-eyed orange man.

drewski

The inability to recognize any truth outside the echo chamber of far right opinion hosts is not a good look for anyone. Facts matter, endlessly repeated opinions are just tedious repetition. Where discussion is concerned I prefer mass to volume. I see very little mass and lots of volume. This will play out in the courts, trump will lose, because the courts will follow the law, rules of evidence, and not long tolerate unhinged & demented speeches and pontification by poor sad rudi & trumps sycophant lawyers. Listen to Dr. Fauchi, ignore Dr. Atlas .Have a safe and happy thanksgiving everyone.

mpjeep

Defeating Trump was the main thing uniting Democrats and now that he’s almost gone, they don’t have a lot left for them to fight for, at least not against Republicans.

It was always clear that Biden would have a hard time holding together a group that ranges from socialists to corporatists to warhawks, given their internal divisions.

AOC has criticised the Democratic party for incompetence in a post-election rant. Oh, my! And Biden is already whining about the transition period. Be careful what you ask for, Joe, you might get it.

No Blue Wave meaning Americans just don’t love the left. Asian Americans, African Americans, and Hispanic Americans voters all made movements towards the Republican Party.

I truly believe the election was stolen, but I’m willing to accept the results and hope Biden does well, but don’t believe for a minute that he will be in charge of our country. He’s not mentally capable and there will be many crazies in the background.

I predict the The Democratic Party is going to look divided for quite some time…...maybe until 2024.

drewski

I see a lot of statements there but no citations to back it up, asians blacks and hispanics moving to republican party? Meanwhile you suggest the dem party has internal divisions, Diversity is a healthy thing isnt it? a group with different ideas and agendas coming together under the umbrella of a single organization? on the other hand we have a party completely under the thumb of one man, with a few notable exceptions, totally cowed & afraid to dissent, speak their minds or pursue an agenda not in lockstep with Dear Leader. No its not North Korea I am describing, Its the autocratic kingdom of Trumpastan ( formally known as The GOP)

dc

Exactly mjp & just like the socialists/Marxists & a few other descriptives for Cuomo types & his favorite mayor total jerks all at least a high percentage of common sense Trump supporters will recognize JB/KH like the Left recognized DJT/MP. if Roberts has anything to do with it we shouldn't hold our breath. Still some unfinished business from the HRC/DNC & supporters hoaxes. This president may have at least one ace to play. If not it could be an interesting 4 years. His folks have some good experience now with how politics are played. Look for Carolina daughter-in-law to possibly replace Burr. Then if this "blue wave" is indicative of what's waiting in '22 & '24 we should be a little more optimistic about the future.

mpjeep

Totally agree, dc. I especially like your last sentence concerning '22 and '24.

dc

The only inability to recognize the truth on here are the ones with TDS.

drewski

I agree TDS is a serious mental aberration, usually seen in cults. Trump Deity Syndrome: causes adults to make ludicrous statements like " once in a lifetime leader" our great president" or "done more then any other" Grown men gushing over a bloated orange con man and habitual liar, like they were Korean tweens in love with a k-pop band. Hope those pour souls can get help via cult deprogramming intervention.

David Collins

My , you mean the Chappaquiddick cake in the oven ? That truth .

drewski

No, Jeep said the truth hasn't been told, since everyone knows that ted was likely drunk, went through bridge into river, mary jo was pregnant, and ted escaped the car and left her, then walked home and didn't report till next day.

There must be MORE to the story that has never been told?

JusticeForAll

dc- I have never advocated that we shut down the economy. I have been against it from the beginning. Be factual. Also, I do not hold to party affiliations. I am an American and I want what is best for this nation. Holding to party lines, to the detriment of this nation. is what is worrisome. Still waiting on factual evidence to support all of your claims.

dc

Know you have been very critical of the shutdown from the beginning. Believe you also tout "science" so guess it would follow that you support "scientists". Not all medical doctors would be considered scientists but believe Fauci would be. Agree or not? You realize Fauci along with others in medicine & otherwise have made contradictory statements about the virus? Agree or not? Believe DJT followed mainly Fauci's advice in shutting down. Agree or not? Remember now some predicted millions of Americans could die if we didn't shut down. Agree or not? Remember DJT said this is not the "regular flu" citing a friend dying of it? With all that believe DJT was pushing to re-open as quickly as possible. Agree or not? When he did finally open with strong support & opposition/criticism did you support or criticize him? Refresh my memory of your praise of him during the time he was trying to push opening back up & finally opening up. You didn't did you? You want what's best for the nation? And, you think DJT does not? You disagree with his economic policies after it had our economy roaring before the virus and has done surprisingly well even with the shutdown? He might disagree with your economic polices. He was elected president. Do you think that had anything to do with economics?

(Edited by staff.)

dc

Sub "?" In place of period at end of last sentence.

dc

BTW, in some posts I've responded to more than one DJT critic in the same posts. Since there are the usual DJT supporters & critics believe we all should be able to decipher what each other is posting & responding to if engaged in the ongoing back & forth. So, hope you haven't confused responses to you meant for another or Visa versa.

David Collins

My , my . You guys are long winded . Makes me tired just perusing all this . Who is winning here ?

mpjeep

No one is winning… kinda tied, but can’t wait for the conversations in 2021. Not a word of truth from some, but it will be interesting.

As most of us do here, including me, we look at things written and try to find the faults, weak spots, and potential challenges. People dislike hearing things they don’t agree with, especially when their cages are rattled.

I do my best, not always successful, to not get upset about anyone else’s opinion, even if it is completely opposite to what I feel to be correct. :-) It’s what makes the world go around and why ski and I have such a great online relationship…..opposites attract.

[smile]

dc

TDS for most by now means what? If you can't handle it make up your own distraction.

drewski

Considering the popular vote is almost 6 million for biden, I guess we have differing opinions on what " most"

Put another way:

O wad some Power the giftie gie us

To see oursels as ithers see us!

It wad frae mony a blunder free us,

An' foolish notion

That sums it up quite nicely i think.

mpjeep

A brewski too many.[smile]

mpjeep

Exactly, dc!!!

dc

Don't choke on the truth. Chew on this very slowly after taking small bites. After digesting for a few minutes if any Leftist can explain how it's not food for some deep thought, please take all the time you need. "Sidney Powell has expanded on the scope of the Dominion scam". By Andrea Widburg.

dc

For starters JB didn't win this election by popular vote. He may have seemingly won with rigged voting machines which were financed, built, sold & run by crooks of the highest order. Some people involved may have been unsuspectingly taken into a fraud scheme but that's no excuse. This was a planned & executed fraudulent election & Sidney Powell will prove it. You may ask how did DJT get elected in the first place if the fraudulent system was in place in 2016. Answer: the fraudsters miscalculated in more ways than one.

drewski

Ms powell is a q-anon believing nut job, on par with crazy rudi for legal skill. You might as well quote Elmer Fudd. Everything is a conspiracy against trump scientists, the press, industry, simply everything. Thankfully only about 30% of the population actually buys into that. When trump declares the sun rises in the west, you can be sure SOME people will be looking west at 0650.

JusticeForAll

Wow...the smallest groups of people can not get things to go as planned, yet those conspiring to bring Trump and America down, all agree and can get things done...ummmm....all those secret meetings and codes obviously work.

JusticeForAll

P.S. Wish I would have kept my Ovaltine decoder ring!

dc

Would it be conspiracy scuttlebutt from a retired air traffic controller & pilot that says got it from a good source DOJ jet parked in Dominion's Canadian hometown a few days? Don't know. Do you? Was allotting all the federal circuits to associate justices in past couple days another coincidence? Don't know. Do you?

drewski

Lol yes that would be very definition of scuttlebutt, a retired guy, who got it from a good source who said he saw.. all that your missing is the California raisins... singing heard it through the grapevine. See my comment about mass hysteria, and proof in court not rumors heard repeated by "judge" Jeanie after her 3 martini lunch.

dc

Oh, believe that brilliant attorney who unlike Bubba is still allowed to practice & believe she believes the confiscated servers are in friendly hands. Can't be sure it means anything one way or the other. Can you?

drewski

Those servers, are they safely under Barr's bed? right next to hillary's?

dc

Is it just scuttlebutt that prominent Ds have complained about the system that was also supposedly used against Bernie? What was the grapevine in that case?

dc

It worked. That intrepid blood hound lost the scent. We can all go have some CA dinner wine with Newsom. Anyone like some raisins in their gin? See you back at the water cooler or coffee mess.

dc

Let's get back on track. "Why Industrial Scale Fraud is Just Too Hard to Hide". By Jay Valentine.

drewski

In case you didn't see it on any of the news sources you use: The Trump campaign released a statement Sunday, denying that attorney Sidney Powell is in any way associated with their legal team. "Sidney Powell is practicing law on her own. She is not a member of the Trump Legal Team," the statement from Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis read. "She is also not a lawyer for the President in his personal capacity." despite her being oon stage and named in a tweet by trump himself as part of their "great legal team"

I guess the Kracken drowned?

dc

That's right she is on her own & has been all along. Obviously, somebody must have invited her to take part in the "opening statement". Everybody and that means Ds, Rs or otherwise is on notice that she is going after whatever & whoever she sees fit. She might not be as nutty as you claim. Graduated early & youngest Asst US Atty in country starting out & rest is history. She's perfect for the clean-up job ahead. Maybe this country & the world will be able to believe there is such a thing as free & fair elections in this nation when she finishes & makes it such for We The People. Nope, the kracken will be coming sooner or later. Be patient Tucker.

drewski

Eek... the kraken is that the same legal juggernaut that got HRC convicted and sent away for 20 years for her imagined misdeeds? The farce is over, everyone knows it but you and possibly djt.

dc

BO is a builder but not the DJT kind. He built useful things like ISIS, a caliphate, BLM, Antifa & a war on police. DJT builds useless stuff like large buildings, jobs especially for minorities, military improvements & wall for national security, & best of all peace.

drewski

Glaring factual errors need to be corrected, sadly i work full time and have other obligations. " useful things like ISIS, a caliphate," Those two are redundant, and more importantly Dubya Bush created isis by disbanding the iraqi army and allowing then to depart with their weapons. Who could have guessed that was going to be a tragic mistake.

Obama being human did make some mistakes, fast and furious and " red line in the sand" come to mind. If you want to criticize him at least do it for things he did, not just make up nonsense.

mpjeep

What is the difference between a Joe Biden speech and a Donald Trump speech?

When Biden is speaking you wonder if he's had a stroke.

When Trump is speaking you wonder if you've had a stroke.

dc

Believe it came into being in 1999. Became big bully in the area headed to a caliphate in 2014 while performing lots of beheadings & genocide. Who was in office then & who declared them a JV team? You seem to give BO a little too much credit on every issue & our president zero credit on any issue. Who promised to clean up the BO mess & did? So, who's the real con artist?

dc

Glaring errors need to be cleaned up alright. Poor BO is human and permitted all the errors & failures you & the rest of his worshippers believe he's entitled but this president can't be given any respect or credit for anything. One big bunch of total BS.

dc

If you really believe HRC has no misdeeds then you're about as right about her as you are about BO. Another pasture full.

drewski

Au contrair..the majority decided Obama deserved a second term, and again the majority decided that trump did not, only president in 30? Years not to get a second term. Most people saw that trump is a con man, a boor, and generally unfit to command for a second term.

You can rain down rationalizations and excuses, and lies even rudi wouldn't tell, let them flow like manna from heaven. It won't change the fact the majority have decided. Dream about 2024 if you like, that haint happening either.

dc

Just more proof it was stolen in plain sight as Tucker described but more revelations will follow. It ain't over 'til it's over.

dc

Politics are not as strange as it seems sometimes. BO cruised into 2nd term because Romney like McCain was nothing but a RINO both afraid of being called racists if they tried to defend themselves. Romney couldn"t even figure how to defend against Reid's big lie that "it worked didn't it" & the debate help from the moderator. This election no different with media along with all other help cited by Tucker to steal it in plain sight only they were 1000X tougher on DJT than JM or MR. Many Rs have a way of bringing that "knife to a gun fight". You know the one BO tried to warn them about that only DJT took seriously. Those DJT supporters that showed up to support their "street fighter" that the Left are so afraid of they had to gang up while using every dirty trick & lie they could muster just to take down a "clown". Amazing when you really think about it. The "most qualified candidate the country ever had" taken down by a clown. Then 2020 the most unqualified it ever had & hiding in the basement supposedly wins with virtually no visible supporters while DJT draws massive crowds? Not much confidence in their candidate, themselves or their dirty politics. Had to even have the usual RINOs, NeverTrumpers & whatever other backstabbing trash they could muster. Not a fair fight or honest bone in their sorry bodies. All of them whether Ds or RINOs will meet their "OK corral". There's another sheriff on-scene who believes in pariotism, fair play & doesn't play politics much less gutter politics.

dc

Survey says DJT would have won with 311 electoral votes if not for biased media. So not only does the media control polling it actually controls elections. No survey needed. Smart folks already knew that.

drewski

Would have except for.....manna from heaven. Hallelujah!

dc

Anyone interested in what Kraken is read the following: "Nine useful articles and data points showcasing 2020's election theft" by Andrea Widburg. Believe it was Point #7 that was pretty interesting. All the links are also.

dc

Actually it's Article #7 & the link to "a solid summary".

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