Beaufort, N.C.

Dec. 18, 2020

TO THE EDITOR:

This letter is in response to previous letters regarding the Confederate statue on the grounds of the Carteret County Court House in Beaufort, N.C., and it's positioning facing the Purvis Chapel.

We would like to clarify that the statue was erected facing the Purvis Chapel in May of 1926, well after the church was dedicated to the AME Zion Church made up of African-American congregants. According to the history of the church as noted in the Carteret News Times article by Cheryl Burke on April 24, 2013, both white and black Methodists worshiped together as one congregation with black congregants viewing services from the balcony area.

In 1854 the white members of Purvis Chapel built the Ann St. Methodist Church and gave the Purvis Chapel building to the black members. The congregation remained with white ministers until 1864 when Rev. James Walker Hood decided it would join with the AME Zion Church. The erecting of the Confederate statue was done by the Daughters of the Confederacy, during the heart of the Jim Crow era, and the fact that it was dedicated by a leader of the Ku Klux Klan is not to be overlooked as to the meaning and message of its placement facing the church.

Now is the time to be honest about what the statue stood for – yes, it has been presented that the Confederacy was fighting for state's rights but the truth is that the right they were fighting for was the right to keep and own slaves, which was the basis of their economy at the expense and misuse of black human lives. We are not born with racism in our minds and hearts...it is a taught behavior and it's time for us to unlearn it. For all of us, acknowledging mistakes from our past does not make us weaker, it actually makes us stronger, wiser and kinder. The reality is that we originate from one Source, God, our Heavenly Parent, which then makes us brothers and sisters. No one race or culture is better than the other no matter what color our skin, is just as in the nuclear family, no one child is of more value than another.

It is time to see and enjoy the beauty and worth of each other. We are the generation that has the privilege and responsibility of changing history for all future generations. Guarding the statue with a tall black iron fence which was recently built with public money only reaffirms that it was wrong to put it there in the first place. No one has ever attempted to remove it or deface it. Why are we protecting an icon of a tarnished part of American History?

It's time to follow the example that is being set in Richmond, Virginia, which was once the heart of the Confederacy. The statues are being removed from public and educational places and relocated to cemeteries. Surely there is a more appropriate place for the young soldier atop the monument in Beaufort. Possibly the Civil War site in Newport?

We have heard that there are grant funds available for this purpose. Thus costs would not come out of the pockets of the citizens of Carteret County as did the funds for the fence. Relocating this statue will only enhance Beaufort in the eyes and hearts of all who live, visit, or move here.

KEENAN and CAREN SAMAN

(68) comments

DeadBolt

Firstly, 'all money' circulated in the 'grant' program is American taxpayer funded, so, um, just because it has a nice title, it's not 'FREE'.

Now.... based on your comment, i think you have shown the true color of a twisted way of trying to STEAL a peoples history, and justifying it with THEFT. ie: Its not your place to 're-write' history. On this point, there are no confederate troops here, and we , the locals, have changed alot since the mid 1800's, go figure! The JOB of schools around the country is to EDUCATE children about this history, make sure they understand it, so huge groups never repeat the behavior. Then, move on to the next subject. No one has the permission to remove 'time' from the pages, sorry. (or actions) (oh, and lastly, since your probably not from around town, etc, till recently, dunno, this statue did not cause you and yours from moving here did it? (now that one really made sense,lol, not)

dc

"Nullification Isn't Just for Democrats, Anymore". By Geoffrey P. Hunt. Quote, in part, "Nullification of all things Trump has been considered necessary, justified, beyond reproach, socially admired, heroic, indeed fashionable. Moreover, Democrats have nullified both state and federal criminal statutes and codes while anarchists burned buildings, tore down monuments, firebombed hundreds of businesses, federal courthouses and churches, terrorized hundreds of thousands of citizens across dozens of Democrat-run states and cities." For those locals and people who have moved here who haven't noticed CC which is not Democrat-run or controlled has not had and will not put up with such craziness. So be thankful you don't live in such places. Take your complaints to those messed up places. They exist in this state. Maybe you can go there and help them understand what it is like to live in a place where the races have overall gotten along without outside intervention and turmoil. Reread Mr. Henry's LTTE if you still don't get it. Then, if you still don't get it ask yourself how has CC survived and done so well without your help?

mpjeep

Yea, maybe the Civil War Park in Newport is a better place.

drewski

Thank you for providing your opinion. There are many options, civil war park, ft Macon, and number of local cemeteries. At its most basic form the statue is art it deserves a nice placement.

David Collins

And where does any grant funding originate from ? Can you say appropriated from the general funds supported by taxpayers in general ?

Here is a novel idea . If in fact the folks that wish to have this statue relocated feel strongly enough get together and kick in the full amount to have it relocated to an appropriate location . Present your plans to the governing body , allowing for public comment , and perhaps a decision can be made . Just be prepared to honor any decision , completely and without any more whining . That is how things should be done in this country .

Then you can move on to important things like sea level rise and climate change along with the plight of the spoon people of Spoonovia .

mpjeep

You nailed it, David!

drewski

I do share your concern about the plight of spoonovians, I dispute that " grant money" is always from tax payer funds. Many charitable organizations provide grants from donations. And again, and again things do not have to settled, and never whined about again. Times change and so do people. What was acceptable in '26 might not be in ' 50. Who knows what the yr 2525 will bring?

sick and tired

Thank you to the previous comments about WHERE funding comes from. The thought process that "funds" appear from thin air is the road to "let the government pay for everything" mentality. As far as the statue goes, lived here all my life and had no idea it was even there, and guarantee until some bored "resident" pointed it out most other folks didn't either. Tear it down. Tear down the courthouse, and jail too while you are at it. From what I am told courts and jails are racist also. The courts and jails today are hurting black people more than statues. Convicting and incarcerating black people because they are black. But sure worry about a statute.

mpjeep

You got it sick!!!

noitall

Money was invented as a means for storing value of hard work - like selling your crop for cash that had value. Money today is only a vague representative promise by a pack of bureaucrats. Won't work for too long. Go to South America and see how well this paper stuff works.

Helen's Girl

The grants that I have heard about that are providing for the removal of confederate statues are from private foundations, not government monies. If people are concerned about their tax dollars being wasted on this statue, perhaps they should look at the elaborate fence which cost $3419.20 of county money.

dc

Can we find the funds to move the courthouse along with the statue to the Civil War Museum?

Beacon

I think the statue is facing South as all similar statues across the South. So it has nothing to do with the church. Time to move on folks. History should be remembered so it is never repeated.

Jackie Gleason

Keenan and Caran Saman....thank you for your opinion and insights with regards to the history. It cannot be interpreted...the facts are spelled out as you have communicated. Regardless of grant money or how we "feel" today, I just ask the basic question: How do we educate our youth and for the matter ourselves about the statue? Understanding the intent and whether it faced the church on purpose or not, are we doing ourselves justice to "move" it to another location? In ten years will that location be "OK" to some or all? I would argue that a plaque needs to be affixed to this statue with the historical nature of what you have told this audience. Let the learning start there and let it be told that this black church and their congregation has stood before this statue that they deem ignorant to their culture in this day. Let the story be told that this church, even though the statue still exists, is standing far taller than the statue itself. The Germans thought hard about the issue of concentration camps and whether to dismantle them or keep them. A very dark stain on German history with Nazi oppression of Jews. The camps stand today to educate the world on what happened and why. Detailed descriptions of what happened can be seen outside and inside each building whether you go to Dachau or others. Learn from it, do not move it or destroy it. Don't try to cover a stained past or you will not learn from it. This country is not happy that we slaughtered each other during the civil war. The most ruthless war ever recorded in history. Brother killing brother. But people were killed in the North and South (and for all the reasons you stated above). But your suggesting we move history to the side and teach it elsewhere. I leave you and others with one thought: “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been re-written, every picture has been re-painted, every statue and street and building has been re-named, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” George Orwell. Do you really want that?

mpjeep

Excellent insight, jackie!

noitall

Iron words.

noitall

HISTORY IS HISTORY is HISTORY Those who are offended by the civil war are on a different mission called thought control with propaganda and media face time.

JohnnyR

It's not "If" the statue will be moved, it is "When" will it be moved.

The statue's days are numbered sitting on that courthouse lawn, I hope they move the fence too and give it a plaque explaining how racism was alive and well in 2020.

David Collins

Calling private money , used to promote issues like BLM and tear down statues , a grant is just putting lipstick on a pig to disguise the stink . All it is is paying money to encourage gullible folks to act in their behalf .

aonorio

Let's do this the right way.

It is history and should stand. Seems to be a race issue that some are heating up.

Hey, let's just give some private money and have the church moved, say somewhere in church commons NC. That should take care of the issue, right! Ok no objections, say aigh, Aigh, or nay. Could there be a better way to settle this? Yes. Just forget the color symptom. Please.

DeadBolt

Lets go back to March, shall we? (ok folks 2 weeks to HELP out ), etc, etc. Um, this is a reality check for the tribe, no matter your 'political' position. People who do not see this SCAM/ EXTORTION for what it is, are ACTUALLY IN ON THE DESTRUCTION OF EVERYONE ELSE'S INDIVIDUAL EXISTENCE. These seemingly small shots at a statue, after all the cr@p you all have been fed are your enemy culling their battlefield. This is not about race, or color, or anything your being told. This is a targeted attack on America, (NO MATTER WHO IS IN THE PRESIDENT ROLE), to RUIN your Country. ie: WHY , for the love of God, are these SOCIALIST GOVERNOR'S " ACTING LIKE THEY OWN YOUR MEANS OF ANYTHING'? You folks are really behind if you can not see this . These COMMIES DO NOT WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT STATUES, ITS ABOUT DESTRUCTION. For all of you who have asked questions of them, how many have even given you 1 good answer???????? They can't, because its off to the next statue, and your still asking them questions. IF YOU THINK THEY WANT A CONVERSATION WITH YOU, YOUR DEAD WRONG. Just tell them , NO, you may not deface PUBLIC PROPERTY, or Remove it! (because , at the end of the day, there is no REASON AT ALL) ps.... you so called Republican's attempting to run a county need to grow a pair quicker then this, your embarrassing your lot. [whistling]

David Collins

Interesting that some respondents criticize and belittle religion except when a confederate themed statue is in the mix . Suddenly , when said statue is within eyesight of a church , a black church is even better , they will advocate moving heaven and earth to rectify some imagined misjudgment . Situational ethics ?

mpjeep

So True!

Benelli

Georgia’s philosophy is similar to the suggestion above..put a plaque beside it explaining the time and the context in which the statute was erected. Many of these soldiers were mass produced, not really historical and if you move it, you lose the opportunity for that conversation. Southern states believed in states rights, except when those rights belonged to northern states (like the right not to pay to return runaway slaves from the north). The civil war boils down to a pretty simple equation..if there had not been slavery, there would have been no civil war.

DeadBolt

Thats not true.

mpjeep

Started over taxes.

dc

Exactly David. At least four hypocrites.

JohnnyR

No David, religion has nothing to do with it, people do.

I care more about the people of that church that had to look at that reminder of their horrible past than I do of any fantasy gods to appease. I realize the religious care more about the imaginary feelings of invisible beings than they do living breathing people that were treated horribly in our past. .......

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mpjeep

The past is the past. Get over it.

Hatterascal

If you look at the timing of the installation of most of the Civil War statues, its is apparent that it was an attempt to "reimagine" history. I often hear comments about how the display the Confederate battle flag is honoring southern "heritage". In this case, that heritage was getting beat by Yankees, having those same Yankees burn and pillage the South, and then Yankee carpetbaggers stealing everything that wasn't nailed down (and some things that were!).

In the grand scheme of all things American, isn't having statues to confederate soldiers to commemorate the Civil War a lot like having a statue of an Al-Quaeda

terrorist to commemorate 9/11?

JohnnyR

Well, looks like everything I post now is either deleted or edited, and what does get posted is edited to be out of context. Not once have I attacked anyone or used any vulgarities, guess the editors are pretty religious and don't like their gods criticized.

Pray for poor ol' JohnnyR!

DeadBolt

Lets recall my very PUBLIC education, hmmmmmm , over 55 years in and around Carteret County, the majority of time right in Beaufort, in almost every bar/ restaurant, store, gas station, and some places best left forgotten, and i'd like anyone to guess just how many times this 'STATUE' was brought up in conversation, good bad or otherwise......... NONE! NOT ONE TIME, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH, NOT EVEN BY THE FOLKS IN THE VERY CHURCH MENTIONED, imagine that?????....

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dc

Iconoclasm for religious and/or political purposes are with us as much today as ancient times. Return with us now to the thrilling days of the Bryzantine Empire starring Leo III and Charlemagne. Who said religion and politics don't mix? Heresy anyone?

David Collins

Seems like this statue thing is the product of a few with way too much empty time on their hands . Very much like the Me Too Movement and other short lived flash in the pan social justice warriors . Just looking for their 15min of fame to fill otherwise empty lives . Creating a solution looking for a problem is rather pitiful . Perhaps they will eventually grow out of it and get back to gardening .

drewski

The other thread on this subject got comments stopped and deleted because as always "the usual suspects " have to get ugly about anything they disagree with. That can be seen here as well. The nays will make excuses, " no one mentioned it before" Its leftists trying to rewrite or erase history" or belittle "empty lives looking for a cause" It was a simple subject really, a moral question not a legal one. I doubt that statue will be moved in my lifetime, I think its likely to have the suggested "context" plaque added or be moved at some point in the future.

I sure hope so.

mpjeep

One things for sure, we all better eat black eyed peas on News Year day.

David Collins

If it makes you feel better , read today that the Boston statue , depicting a slave on his knees in front of Lincoln was removed . No mention of the meaning of said statue but is it possible the slave was kneeling out of gratitude ? You know , being set free and all that ? After all, it did cost Lincoln his life for his belief or so it is recorded . But then , it could all be an urban legend .

Morality , the great excuse .

JohnnyR

Drew, the "usual suspects" are incapable of viewing the world from anything but an elderly white person's view, a person that was raised thinking racism is ok. They're unable to see how that statue could hurt people not exactly like them, so they defend it.

That statue's days are numbered, as are the days of elderly white people that were raised thinking racism is ok.

drewski

You're right of course. But judging from recent election its not just the elderly who have such views, I see the stars and bars and trump flags on young folks trucks all the time ( sometimes even with a rattle can paint job) That is after all the grand plan, keep the peasants divided with hot button social issues while gathering up their wealth. Whats the debt clock up to now 30 trillion? sheesh!

mpjeep

Black Lives Matter the $600 stimulus payment for coronavirus relief is far too little to support struggling black families. Are demanding monthly checks instead.

dc

Guess ALL elderly white people have always been elderly and white right? Can remember in my younger working in a public job days helping minorities gain better paying employment, helped a minority appeal nonjudicial punishment, etc. The appeal one later proved to probably be a mistake but you live and learn. Some people's opinions are just that and about as valuable as that boar hog saying. Know what I'm mean?

David Collins

Typical , typical, typical . One thing is for sure here , if you should disagree with a lib on a subject , you will be painted a racist and any other derogatory label floating about the empty head . No , being older and perhaps white , heaven forbid , is a terrible thing and must be eliminated . Would love to fast forward your lives just to see how it all works out for you over time . ...... A course of how the world really works would be a good start followed by a stint in the military , to see it first hand . It will open your tightly zipped mind if only a bit .

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drewski

The irony of calling others empty headed, whilst complaining about name calling/ labels by those who disagree has not escaped me. Your conjecture that ppl who frequently disagree with your world view, lack life experience, would benefit from time in the service, and don't understand the " real" world might not be nearly as accurate as you wish to beleive. Ie: I am a vet, have seem much of the world, and worked every day since I was 16. We just have different views.

JohnnyR

Yeah Drew, the puppet masters are very good at what they do, amazing how polarized the country has become based on politics. People will believe anything someone from their respective parties spews out.

There are folks on here that actually believe Donald Trump was all about the people, that's how crazy this country has become!

mpjeep

2020 Most Admired Man----Trump!

drewski

True with 18% of vote. That also means 82% thought otherwise. Those pesky facts and numbers.

mpjeep

18% was the Majority Vote.

drewski

18% lol sorry but thats just about equal to trumps base. The "hard-core trump fans" still scary that 1 in 5 Americans feel that way. But then jerry springer and maury have popular shows, someone must be watching right?

mpjeep

Obama got 15% when he received this recognition.

JohnnyR

You're tossing out a little fake news there jeep, (not a surprise), but in 2016, (Obama's last year) he was at 22%. He's at 15% this year but been out of office for four years.

On a side note, Michelle Obama was named most admired woman this year, (again).

dc

'Trump supporters "uncancel" the Rose Parade'. Can you imagine JB's supporters doing same? The three cars would all belong to the JB crime family with that Corvette belonging to doc Jill's ex that JB wrecked leading the 3-car parade. Maybe BO pulling up the rear in one of those mini clown cars dodging from side-to-side throwing candy to an nonexistent crowd of fans. Then when they get back into hiding BO takes over the Corvette & puts JB back in his clown car.

drewski

Lol, tell us more about tds and how such an obsession affects judgement.

David Collins

Guys , does any of this back and forth matter ? Believe you are cruising for a comment disabled . Way more important issues need discussing .

mpjeep

The vast majority of the law suits addressing voter fraud were turned down in the courts for procedural reasons as opposed to merit based rulings on the allegations of fraud.

Maybe the fraud was not great enough to change the outcome, but do we want to allow our elections in the future to be a joke like those in many other countries? We are not stupid and know there was voter fraud.

drewski

There is always a few small instances of voter fraud, remember trumps fraud comm8ssion in 2016 ?he couldn't accept he lost popular vote to that nasty woman. It was quietly Disbanded when no substantial fraud was found. He prepped the gulliblele for 2020 fraud allegations. He wants drama and turmoil, he needs his devoted followers to demonstrate their love. If there is bloodshed on jan 6 he will wallow in glory. You don't know there was fraud, you want to beleive it. That is not at all the same thing.

drewski

Yes, except no one believes that except trump cult members. Is bill barr part of deep state now too? In his role as ag he said no fraud.

dc

So 30,000 were deleted from Trump & 12,000 were switched from Trump to Biden in GA & that's just small stuff? That alone means Trump wins GA. This is just one incident out of how many? Somebody needs to wake up about this third world election. Nothing ever like it or has come close to it that's for certain.

JohnnyR

Yeah, again dc, nobody believes that except trump cult members. I thought drew already explained this?

aonorio

You people spouting your garbage against the folks that 90% that voted for Trump might just have to bear what the usless idiots of the left and democrats are now in DC. Be carefull how you speak of the people that continue to keep what was created for us in the early day of this nation. There is a time when you may be grabbing the kleenex again and it could be soon. I along with 280million patriots voted for Trump for the better of this Republic. He is just the messenger. the 280m are the messages to the left. Dont Tread on Me!

drewski

90% voted for trump? "I along with 280million patriots voted for Trump for the better of this Republic." I am not sure where you got your figures but I assure you they are incorrect, as is your thought that only you trump voting " patriots" love america.

dc

Was there a redo in WI? Are they finished in PA, AZ, & GA? Maybe the fraudsters & their fellow Marxists (i.e. the vote counters not the legitimate votes) are done but the truth is not done.

dc

"January 6, 2020, a day that will live in Political Infamy". By Steve McCann. Quote, in part, as we were able to position ourselves within 75 yards of the entrance, we noticed that among a large cadre if what appeared to be young Trump supporters there were many frankly stereotypical Antifa looking militants waving Trump flags on the steps attempting to get in the doors as the useless barriers of portable and plastic fencing had been easily breached. The speech could not have incited the subsequent mayhem. It was obvious to me that Capitol Hill and Metro police presence was miniscule and their only attempt at crowd control were a few random canisters of tear gas. As the crowd at the steps grew, we saw the few police in attendance step aside and essentially allow the mob flow into the Capitol."

drewski

noticed that among a large cadre if what appeared to be young Trump supporters there were many frankly stereotypical Antifa looking militants waving Trump flags

Yes the proud boys announced well in advance they were ditching their usual attire and dressing in black. The need to beleive it was left wing agitators hidden among the honest law abiding trump faithful is a clear sign of a cult like state of denial about facts and reality. FACTS AND REALITY

dc

After words "in part" add quote mb mark and capitalize word "as".

dc

"Worrisome Signs the Capitol Breach was Planned to Discredit Trump Supporters: An Eyewitness Account". By Antonio Cheves. Although by all accounts very patriotic that young vet could have easily been suckered in along with others to follow the infiltrators.

JusticeForAll

Trump fan base. Do not compare yourselves to the patriots who founded this country. You guys are NOTHING like them. And what you are doing is shameful, disrespectful and has no honor or integrity. Trying to justify your false claims (just produce evidence) and perpetuate lies from a lunatic Trump will not make you heroes. What you guys think is going to happen is part of your delusion. There is an explanation for this. Read about those who follow/believe conspiracy theories. But knowing what is happening, watching it unfold before our eyes and then trying to stomach your distortion is repugnant.

dc

Could it be ALL troublemakers have a certain look? These stories are by people who supposedly were there. Evidently they didn't break any laws and were part of the great majority and peaceful like some of the peaceful demonstrators who were on-scene when the criminals injuring, killing , breaking, burning down, etc was taking place and us still taking place across the country in Leftist cities across the country. What kind of fan base and "conspiracy theorists" are these people? Sure you don't associate with their fan base but a great many on the left obviously do. The grest majority of those attending this were obviously not of the same mindset as the perpetrators and if they had been the outcome would have been unreal. (to be continued ).

dc

(Continued) The "conspiracy" against this president ongoing since before he took office with just one charged and total lack of adequate security and crowd control led to this mayhem. For some reason not much different than the BLM, Antifa and other mayhem across the country. The Left's defunding LE and refusing backup like the NG and what follows is absolutely insane, repugnant, dangerous to life, limb and property but predictable. But you can bet these perpetrators will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law unlike what's been done to this president since before he took office and those injuring, killing, breaking and burning down across the country and the aiding and abetting them which includes one about to take the 2nd highest office. Until those from all sides get logical and some degree of fairness is apparent things aren't going to improve. If the Left's getting rid of the president by hook and crook would solve the underlying problems maybe living in a one-party-rule Communist country without free speech for half of the population would be tolerable for the other half but it's intolerable and unacceptable for those not submissive to living under such conditions.

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