Beaufort, N.C.

July25, 2020

TO THE EDITOR:

Every day I stand in front of the Confederate flag and monument on the courthouse lawn in Beaufort. I think Carteret County can present a more inspiring face to the public, and we should safely move the statue off public property. To most people the statue represents white supremacy, Jim Crow, lynching, and slavery, which are not the finest elements of our Southern tradition.

I am a retired prosecutor and do not want anyone to deface, damage or topple the statue unlawfully. I have made it very clear to the Police and Sheriff’s departments that if anyone tries to commit such unlawful acts while I am there, I will be the first to call 911. What I want is a process of gradual discussion and education. That is why I was actually encouraged to see some of our citizens out exercising their First Amendment rights peacefully in front of the statue on July 20th. That is democracy, and the discussion continues.

Not everything about that event was laudatory, however. I started seeing warnings weeks before that “antifa” was coming to town to do terrible things – this seems to have been made-up rumors and fearmongering, which is unfortunate. The truth is that no one here or elsewhere was planning any such thing – I would certainly fight it. But that is why I told everyone I knew not to appear at the courthouse, inside or out, on July 20th. I do not want angry confrontations; I do not want my town to become a media circus. Not only would that be personally painful to me, but guys we rely on tourist dollars and it is in ALL of our interests to keep these discussions civil and peaceful.

What jarred me a bit about the July 20th meeting were the remarks of a County Commissioner: “It was placed there for the right reasons by the right people and you won’t see [my] name in favor of taking down a monument to the dead.”

It was placed there in 1926, at the height of the era of Jim Crow, lynching, and violent white “redemption,” intentionally in front of Beaufort’s historic black church. The benediction was given by the Grand Dragon of the KKK. I suspect that that is what the commissioner was referring to when he said, “right reasons and right people.” If he did not mean that, he should clarify his remarks. Also, it is not a monument to the dead. Had it been erected in the 1860’s at the graves of brave soldiers with their names on it, then it would be a monument to the dead, and I would support it. However, it is none of those things – it is a monument to white supremacy. Folks might want to read the June 16th article in the National Review (generally known as the “Bible of Conservatism,”) entitled, “Conservatives Should Feel no Investment in Confederate Monuments.”

I know that many of our citizens view the confederate flag as a symbol of Southern Pride or heritage. Look - I am a proud southerner, for many reasons, but not for a system created specifically to protect and spread a system of human bondage and white supremacy. Gee whiz, folks, we have better things to be proud of. I am very proud of my great-grandfather, who fought the Tsar in the Russian Revolution. However, I do not fly a Communist flag. I also have a lot of German heritage, as many Americans do – should we put up statues of Nazi soldiers to honor that heritage? OF COURSE NOT!!! It would be wildly inappropriate and un-American. Please take a moment, if you have not done so before, to consider that many see symbols of the confederacy in the same light. I know we hate Yankees telling us what to do – can we not just do this ourselves, out of respect to our own selves?

DOUGLAS MIRON

(65) comments

dc

That "community organizer" could have been a great leader but he just couldn't put his "community activism" aside. He had to stir the pot & "fundamentally change" things by creating a racial divide much greater than the one he & we were accustomed to. In some cases the more the pot is stirred the worse it stinks, and here we are.

drewski

A well written piece, I was unaware of the specific history of that statue, thank you. I might add this: empathy is being able to understand how others feel. You do not have to agree with it, but you should be able to understand their feelings. The courthouse is the symbol of govt.&power in our county. It represents justice and equal protection and treatment under the law. Try to imagine how black people feel as they approach the courthouse. Black folks who are fellow citizens, friends, and neighbors. Is that statue in that place the right thing?

David Collins

Empathy is not a one way street . Should go both ways . Can’t we all just get along ?

drewski

The statute at its most basic form is a work of art. It represents very different things to different people. If the majority thought a statue of Hitler should be placed on public land next to a synagogue, since jews are a small minority of the population. Would that be morally correct because the majority wanted it?

Compromise is key to getting along, and seems to be a forgotton skill.

Sleepwalker

Collins called it...empathy...tolerance...inclusion...all great things the liberals preach so long as they are their values/thoughts/lifestyle/heritage. Lord help you if ONE thing comes out of your mouth that goes against any little thing they are championing.

dc

Always the "Hitler" analogy with you Leftists who claim to be something you're not. Doubt that "lone soldier" represents anything analogous to a Hitler, Stalin or Mao. Could some of you complain about Communist China & what it represents with human rights, the NBA crowd, its religious minority abuses & one heck of a major thing that the world should be able to agree on with the covered up virus. How about complaining about something really serious. What a joke!

dc

And, while you're complaining go ask the D Party to remove their signs &/or change their name since they were the party of slavery, bigotry, Jim Crow & the KKK.

drewski

I agree the nazi thing is over used, and in this case not the best analogy. It was the best I could come up with at the time. I would be grateful if instead of angry screeds about Obama and the evil dems. We could stay on the topic. In this case the location of that statue.

drewski

Since it seems impossible in this forum to discuss the authors point..

Please explain why Vladimir Putin and his cadre of gangster oligarchs wanted trump elected, and wants him reelected That's the here and now. No need to mention china biden Hillary Obama or dem history from 60 years ago. Come on cold warriors WHY?

00rolf

Impossible. The republicans want a back-stabber-in-chief that promotes a woman claiming that alians have their dna in vaccines...

dc

Yes, please do stick with more current events. No complaints about China? Burning, rioting, etc? Was this county at one time mostly Ds? Let's start at the top of the party Pelosi if you want to cancel your history. Those 4 or so portraits in the Capitol & a "lone soldier" statue at any given county courthouse won't cut it in an effort to make you look good & exonerate your past. Y'all started this "cancel culture" BS. Go big & finish it. Knock yourself out.

dc

Oh yeah! Back stabbing! What did Fake News say when Clinton visited Rushmore? Then, Obama? Then, Ssnders? And, our current president?

drewski

The most likely explanation, as said by don jr and eric trump is money. They get most of their funding from russia. Dirty russian gangster money, washed through the crooked deutsche bank.Ms. Vrablic and her colleagues bought the apartment on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, Mr. Trump and Mr. Kushner were her clients at Deutsche Bank. They had received roughly $190 million in loans from the bank and would seek hundreds of millions of dollars more Ms. Vrablic and her colleagues bought the apartment on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, Mr. Trump and Mr. Kushner were her clients at Deutsche Bank. They had received roughly $190 million in loans from the bank and would seek hundreds of millions of dollars more. Trump has sued and lost before when ppl claimed he was not as wealthy as he claims. So basically hes up to his neck in debt to Putin and his criminal buddies and they are calling the shots on US policy. No sanctions on russia, no push back of any kind, free ride on soviet shadow war in georgia, soviet capture of crimea, soviet soldiers now enjoying us base in syria after we again abandoned the kurds and syria because thats what the russians wanted. Americans are being played by don the con to keep his frail lil empire from collapsing, while he clutches the flag and holds an upside down bible.

JusticeForAll

War is a human way to gain advantage over others, thus the power to make others do as the group, in charge, demands. It is a shame that supposedly, "thinking, intelligent" humans are not capable of coming to reasonable solutions without violence against other humans. But, it seems to be a part of our DNA to survive and perpetuate our species. Justification of violence has long been established and accepted as a means to settle conflict. Memorials to honor such is really bizarre. But in the context of our society, it continues to validate our perceptions of righteousness.

dc

Is an oligarch similar to a big city D mayor? The same oligarchs that weasel man nailed to that imaginary wall? WHY? Maybe for similar reasons that the Chinese Communists want him elected? You have the proof that weasel man had so spit it out.

drewski

Still waiting for a clear response to why the russians want trump. I posted 5 examples where he favored russias interest over America's, either the nt is lagging or it was deleted. Deflection is not a response its a sophomore lvl debate trick.

dc

Now, the rest of the story. Hear him out & counter his rationality.

"Jason Whitlock: 'No rational person can watch leaked George Floyd footage and think police were motivated by race'." By Andrew Mark Miller.

Can't believe it because it might weaken the Left's radical agenda.

David Collins

Nope , I like the part of alien DNA in vaccines . A real thinker brought that to the table .

Floyd was a criminal and hopped up on anything available on the street . That came out early and was squashed by those that wanted an excuse to riot . Doesn’t really take much and besides I need new Michel Jordan sneakers , so what the heck . Burn baby burn , hot time in the old town tonight sort of event .

drewski

I did not mention floyd that was more deflection from another poster. Your comment that Floyd's lifelong criminal history was squashed makes no sense. The fact is everyone knows it. What ppl are protesting is the fact he is dead, rather then in jail. If you need a truely heart breaking example I suggest you look at Tamir rice. That should shock your conscience. If you doubt that if Tamir had been lil Jonny white kid he would still be alive, then you have lost touch with reality.

dc

Would you be in trouble if you repeated what Herschel Walker said? "I'm for 'American Lives Matter' because I'm an American".

dc

Right, & Ellison that anti-everything American AG claiming to be totally transparent like the radical Obama regime hid the footage so the Radical everything Left storm troopers could rampage. Elect a few more like those two, Biden, Holder, Rice & a few others & the end of Rome will look like heaven. Hard to believe the Clinton Mafia could have done worse in '08.

dc

And, at least one substance he was on was that Communist Chinese favorite export to their No. 1 world trade partner that could kill a horse just drifting by. The D Party of Hoax with their Russian Hoax & now the Killer Cop Hoax. Too bad they can't find anything to pin on Communist China. There's plenty there that wouldn't be a hoax but that would be too pro-American.

mpjeep

Go stand somewhere else!

David Collins

Tamir Rice , the 12 year old that brandished what has been described as a toy gun or a pellet gun . Who knows . Sadly , the gun was realistic enough to be mistaken for the real thing . Unfortunate but it happens . No one was charged but the officer has to live with this senseless tragedy throughout his life . Guess the lesson is don’t give your 12 year old kid a gun unless it is a brightly colored nerf gun and only used at the house .

Yet one more example of people doing the things that lead to trouble . They bring it on all by themselves .

drewski

Well that is one lesson, "they bring it on them selves" "Air jordans & burn baby burn" I notice you declined to address whether if he has been a blond white boy would the cop would have screamed up to a picnic area, stopped 10 feet from him and opened fire before he was fully out of the cruiser? You all keep saying george floyd was a criminal, he was on drugs ( from the ccp of course) he shouldent be dead, as many others should not be. making excuses and justifications for it, especially in the case of an innocent 12 yr old boy is just "sad"

CARTERETISCORRUPT

It offends me that anyone would want to remove that statue. The men who died fighting for the Confederacy were fighting to leave the union; which was and is their right. The north forced us to stay in the union; thus the mess we have today. While I don't believe in slavery, I do believe in states rights, and a weak federal government. To that end; when the federal government/the north becomes dictatorial, we have the right to either leave or to fight. The northerners are again dictating to the country how to live, shoving socialism down our throat, and threatening our freedoms. We have nearly made full circle, indeed. I say leave the statue alone in peace.

dc

Over a two-year period 86 were shot by police while brandishing guns that looked real but weren't & of those 50 were white. Let's get melodramatic.

drewski

That 86 number is correct. I posed that question to Mr Collins would tamir be alive if he was white. He did not answer. We don't know the circumstances of those 86 in 2014& 2015. How many were suicide b cop, on drugs or engaged in a crime at the time

The video of the rice shooting is avail online. Watch it then answer the question. If he was a white kid would he be alive?

drewski

Still waiting on an answer on why the russians want trump, why trump acts against America's interest in favor of Russia? Why Russia would put an 800 million dollar aluminum plant in Kentucky to keep moscow mitch in power protecting their asset trump? Before we retreat a century in the past to discuss dems dismal past history on civil rights. Can you tell me why David duke endorsed trump in 2016 and again in 2020?( I am sure you know who he is) why do nazis support trump?

Why do far right militias support trump?

So..nazis,militias,klansman, and Vladimir putin all want trump. He must be good for America, right? "Very fine people"

dc

We know only nice folks support Ds. Ever heard of Uranium One? The cheap speech to Ex-KGB? Trump has taken more action against them & the other axis of evil players than Your crowd combined. Russians are juvenile delinquents compared to Communist China but any complaints there from you & yours? Nope!

dc

Byrd was in this century wasn't he? And those Biden eulogized? He's not over 100 yet right? Want to do a body count of those more recent real scary characters you describe compared to others either closely or tangently related to your crowd. Neither will win a Sunday School Plaque but Pelosi did 't want those portraits removed because they were Rs did she? The damage that's been done because a radical AG tried to hide the facts is unforgiveable. Guess they could have let him get in his car, take off & kill some innocent people, taser him, or just knock him out. Instead it seems it was a training method which led to a tragic result. Plenty other cases of resisting arrest where the resister didn't live to go to jail. Too many innocent people have died & lives & property destroyed because of how the radicals with D support & a fool made out to be a martyr. Be proud. Ironically just as in the past they hurt the ones they proclaim to be protecting/avenging. It's a never-ending saga & you support that?

Sleepwalker

That rice kid was a tragedy. In my opinion, the cop was wrong BUT you can’t prove the rule with the exception...that is lumping a whole group of folks into a bundle because of the action of a very small minority. That is not different than thinking ALL black folks are criminals because of the actions of some. As far as trump endorsements...you want to go down a list of democrat endorsements...pretty sketchy characters that do NOT have this country’s best interests in mind.

Sleepwalker

By the way...when the state of Arizona was trying to lock down it’s southern border because the citizens had enough of the crime that was boiling over from illegal immigrants...eric holder sued the state and the governor...in the interest of the illegals against the us citizens of Arizona. The whole “interest of the American people” is leaving out many things.

dc

A percentage difference 31-32 to 58-59 might be best to be non-white playing that game.

drewski

Best work on your arithmetic DC compare population % with death rate. blacks are killed at higher rate then whites or Hispanics.

dc

Bottom line old D Party of slavery, bigotry, Jim Crow & KKK has changed only in slight twists & 3-letter & other monikers.

klacy

You are correct that the Democratic Party of the late 19th century after the Civil War, and the early 20th century, were southern white supremacist, members of the kkk, promoted segregation, were conservative, and did all in their power to suppress the black vote, especially in NC. NC democratic leaders of that time even had their names enshrined on university buildings throughout our state (all renamed within the last few years). But during the civil rights movements of the 1950s and 1960s, southern white conservatives in the segregationist states migrated from the Democratic Party to the right wing of the Republican Party. Source - the recently published book - “Wilmington’s Lie, The Murderous Coup of 1898 and The Rise of White Supremacy” by David Zucchino.

dc

We'll call your aluminum & raise you our uranium. Now the radio-activity goes beyond the Big "C" crooks to the Big Why Lie "Y" throw the super patriot really big "C" under the bus to protect the cool, clean not a smidgen Big "O" while bumbling Big "B" hides in hopes of enriching Jr. & rest of family with deals with Virus Central Communist Party & maybe even a little more from Ukrainians if not some Iranians.

drewski

I am wondering does the maga hat come with a secret word salad decoder ring? Weasel boy and the big o?

drewski

Folks let me explain again. When bily breaks a window at school today.. He tells the teacher but Jonny broke one in 1970.

What Jonny did does not excuse or explain what Billy did. Two wrongs do not make a right. That is called a DEFLECTION.

dc

Seems weasel man running nervously from trap door to trap door dropping off OP-eds hoping to quash any more bad news before election. Must be something the "Duke" is bringing since it's getting close with interviewing the old college communist.

David Collins

I do not know if that kid would be alive if he was white and neither do you . You just chose to think it would be the case . Once again everyone has an opinion . Not going to change a thing . Yes , people through their individual decision making process , do set themselves up for failure . No one group of folks has a lock on that . Ok ?

My gosh , we do go on and on like a radio with the knob cut off . Solving nothing and changing nobody’s opinion . Sorry for not responding sooner but it takes time for the NT to post these things . Beyond my control and at times glad of it .

drewski

"we do go on and on like a radio with the knob cut off . Solving nothing and changing nobody’s opinion ." Well that is certainly partially true, regular readers have come to expect the cadre of prolific posters will drown out any dissenting opinion, with snark,deflections, and tedious repetition

As far as changing minds that only happens if they are open to start with. I was ambivalent about that statue but after the authors well written thoughtful peice

mpjeep

Drew, my MAGA comes with a snub nose.

drewski

"Drew, my MAGA comes with a snub nose." Yes mpjeep I have seen your comments, longing for civil war ll . What can be said? If you ponder stormy daniels comments, coupled with the notorious inaccuracy of a snub nose, it does seem the perfect iconic weapon for trump fans. Personally I prefer a ruger p 90, or an sks. 4" group at 50 and 200 yds respectively .

dc

Not weasel boy. It's weasel man & cool, clean not a smidgen Big "O". Jonny & Billy get it.

drewski

After Robert D, Raeford's stroke I lost interest in J&B.

kenwood

What's missing in this discussion is a simple truth. That being, that anyone who takes up arms against his country is a traitor. Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee , down to the lowest confederate private was a traitor, in that they took up arms against their country, the United States of America. There is no escaping that basic truth, no matter what your sentiments may be. We don't erect statues to Benedict Arnold or John Wilkes Booth or any of our other traitors. So why Lee and his likes? It seems today we degrade true heroes like John McCain and praise those who have betrayed us and continue to do so.

drewski

Kenwood I beg to differ. " we" do not glorify traitors, a 35% minority do. Trump fans, an aggrieved minority are all in on DJT and his divisive rhetoric &corrupt nonsense, that only feed his narcissism. He clutches our flag and holds a bible while filling his pockets. Vote him out before the trump cultists do any more damage.

dc

Just how far do you, Pelosi & the party want to take your past? How much of it do you want to cancel? A few portraits & statues won't cut it. You going cancel Woodrow?

klacy

In his letter to the editor, Mr Miron recommends the reading of the June 16th article in the National Review (“Bible of Conservatism”) entitled “Conservatives Should Feel no Investment in Confederate Monuments.” It states - “Secession was a traitorous act that threatened to destroy the American nation, to create a rump republic built on slavery, and to make impossible the subsequent rise of the United States to a world power. Its leaders don’t deserve to be given a place of honor in our landscape denied to worthier men. Confederate statues shouldn’t be vandalized, but they should go.”

dc

So, which racists are you going to make winners & which ones losers? You do know LBJ was a racist?

David Collins

What you are missing , Kenwood , is that the 2nd gives the citizens the Right to keep and bare arms . You might not like it but oh well . These arms are available but not limited to , the ability to deal with our government , should it go rogue . Yeah , this will never happen , right ? Guess what , look around you nationally . That never going to happen , because all government is good and more can only be better , is starting to creep in . Laws are ignored , violence encouraged by lack of enforcement , selected shutdowns and outright censorship . Nope never going to happen here but it is . Hopefully order will be restored and certain complicit officials relieved of their jobs and have their day in court . Failing that , there is the second and for a darned good reason . Think of it as our nuclear option and everybody looses .

drewski

The 2nd is going to protect us from the Govt gone rouge? This is a common fantasy among a certain subset of the population. That same subset will insist "our rights are being taken away" Both are utter nonsense. You can have a REAL assault rifle, you can have a Thompson sub-machine gun,you can have an m-60. you can have a silencer, you can purchase and keep explosives. All that is required is a federal firearms licence, and/ or training certifications and permits. Thats what the "well regulated" part of 2a means. No ones rights are being taken away. The idea that the citizens are going to rise up en masse, 50 million taking to the streets with their tricked out AR clones and liberate us from a tyrannical govt is the stuff of Hollywood. ( If only they had bought books instead of wicked looking folding stocks) Let me point to the 1996 gun ban that so infuriated this subset of the population- yet no uprising occurred, and that ban died a natural death a decade later, no doubt with nra backing& dollars. My view is in the event of an armed insurrection against our duly elected constitutional govt, said traitors will quickly find that cell towers will be spoofed, and their comms will be compromised, Their "command structure" decimated,and turned against them, other technology will pinpoint and track them. With few exceptions the guard and police forces will obey their orders. When faced with armored vehicles, air support, and overwhelming force, in proportion to the threat, they will cut&run like scalded cats, to be collected at a later date to face the consequences. Its not 1776, you are not minutemen. It is definitely a brave new world. Oh and by the way, FEMA does have massive portable ovens. i personally saw them in use in Sampson county after BERTHA, disposing of many thousands of dead hogs.

CARTERETISCORRUPT

Keep thinking we won't rise up and defend our rights and property. That works in our favor. The gun ban you speak of expired of a included sunset clause that was put in the bill. All laws should have a sunset clause included. The reason there was no uprising was that there was no confiscation, we could still get what we wanted, and it was not yet worth the violence to end that bad law. Guerilla warfare has worked well in other countries, as the Russians learned, and we learned in Vietnam. Your mention of "massive portable ovens" clearly shows the necessity for us to be armed and prepared to deal with governmental tyranny. There are many who stand ready, and prepared, educated and trained, to deal with this governmental threat. Armored vehicles can be defeated, and air assaults won't be tolerated on U.S. soil. In fact, the law expressly forbids that type of action. ...

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mpjeep

Well Ken, under your reasoning, and other than Arnold and a few others, are you saying that the folks from the 13 colonies that fought against Great Britain were traitors?

mpjeep

LBJ a racist, really.? What about George Wallace?

These men did come from a different era. Even being a prejudiced person, I think LBJ did some good things for black folks considering the time frame of his presidency

Arthurt

Are not the Confederates traitors to the USA government? Like Benedict Arnold and Snowden? Why would you want your kids to hold them up as heroes?

kenwood

Yes, the colonists who fought against Great Briton were traitors. Traitors to Great Briton. That is why you won't find statues to them in Great Briton. Why is that so difficult for some to grasp? Your taking up arms against your country makes you a traitor, and unworthy of statues except to enemies of your country.

dc

Yes, George & he both were but George apologized. Lyndon never did. He couldn't care less about anything but pure power & control. What was it he said about the vote? Daniel Patrick Moynihan told them what the Great Society would do & it did.

David Collins

Yup , rounded up the urban minorities and relocated them to the great projects . Massive public supported housing with a dry roof and unlimited segregation complete with family killing regulations and just enough free money to keep them there . Birth of Planned Parenthood soon followed and the rest is history . Some of the buildings may be gone but the legacy lives on to haunt us all . Slavery lives on , just in a different incarnation but then ......., are we all not slaves but to different masters ?

dc

Believe Lee was offered command of Army of the Potomac but turned it down because of his love for his VA home. That love & need to protect his home & that one state above all else was a lot of his downfall. He probably could have won some battles on the Western Front & else where if not for that need which would have made a difference for awhile at least. Going into northern territory especially Gettsburg was obviously a grave mistake. He could have stayed in the south, used guerilla warfare tactics/strategy and worn the opposition down. Stonewall's death was a turning point obviously. You'd better believe had he lived the Yanks would have had a much tougher go of it. Also, Grant was a Quarternaster while Lee was an Engineer. Grant knew supplies, how, when & where to move them. Lee's forces were so good they outran their supplies which of course included ammo. Grant came into Morehead once if not twice by ship. A good read by Ed Bonekemper titled "How Lee Lost the Civil War" , or words to that effect provides good insights. Lots of the generals on both sides attended West Pt. together & were probably friends before & at two & probably more were after the war. Several had made names in Southwest Indian Wars if memory serves. It was much more complicated in a different time & place so loosely tossing around "traitor" is too simple. The NRA was established after the war by Union Generals/officers to improve the Union Army's marksmanship. As one officer put it their troops "couldn't hit the broad side of a barn".

Sleepwalker

DC said it again... some other posters said also in other strings. It IS all about perspective. That was different times and we are trying to say as fact how folks felt back then. I know there are plenty of great history books, I’ve read many of them... but it still doesn’t put us in the 19th century with all of their problems back then. One can only think about how 2020 will be judged 100...200 years from now.

mpjeep

Sorry guys, Censorship keeps me from really getting into this conversation. I guess my opinions are just off base.

PS China does Censor all of it's citizens. Wouldn't think it would happen in the USA. And I don't mean I've been using any foul language,

The comments that have been denied are due to disparaging remarks directed toward other people posting on the forum. - Web Editor

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David Collins

Absolutely , Sleepwalker . These malcontents that claim to be for changing our country in their image , have no personal perspective to draw from . If they had any knowledge of world history and what works and what consistently fails , there would be no rioting . The same thing goes for elected officials in all the various forms of government in our country . Then there is the greed and corruption factor that is increasingly being exposed and subsequently quietly buried from view .

Back in the 60s and 70s colleges sprung up all about offering degrees in total BS subjects . Subjects that no one could possibly make a living doing . Boy was I wrong . Universities and government welcomed them with open arms and here we are today .

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