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Posted: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:00 am | Updated: 10:32 am, Mon Apr 2, 2012.

TOPSAIL BEACH – A battle has been brewing over the use of gill nets in the waters off North Carolina – and now it’s heading to court.

The Karen Beasley Sea Turtle Rescue and Rehabilitation Center, located in Topsail Beach, has filed a lawsuit in federal court asking that the state no longer allow gill net fishing.

The lawsuit uses the Endangered Species Act (ESA) in its argument against gill net fishing.

It also points to studies done by the National Marine Fisheries Service, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the North Carolina Department of Marine Fisheries which have concluded that gill net fishing harms sea turtles, which are protected by the ESA. 

Defendants in the lawsuit include North Carolina Department of Marine Fisheries, North Carolina Marine Fisheries Commission, and DMF Director Dr. Louis Daniel.

The suit charges that the defendants have issued permits and licenses that “have resulted in the illegal take of estimated thousands of protected sea turtles over the previous decades, and continue to result in the illegal take of protected sea turtles today.”

The Karen Beasley Sea Turtle Rescue and Rehabilitation Center is being represented by the Duke Environmental Law and Policy Clinic. Supervising attorney Michelle Nowlin said the lawsuit asks the state to enforce existing laws.

“Our client is asking North Carolina to enforce the law to aid the recovery of these threatened species,” Nowlin stated in a press release on Tuesday. “We value the rich history of commercial fishermen and fishing communities in our state. However, gill nets are a destructive gear and the prevailing method of use injures and kills sea turtles and threatens their existence.”

Commercial fishermen are concerned that a gill net ban will put them out of business.

The NC Marine Fisheries Commission recently voted to continue to allow large mesh gill net fishing but restricted it to four days a week.

The commission has also considered banning large mesh nets from May 15 to Dec. 15 in an effort to prevent interactions with sea turtles.

The issue has been brewing for some time.

Last November, legal representation for the Karen Beasley Sea Turtle and Rehabilitation Center gave the NC Division of Marine Fisheries notice to stop issuing gill net permits or face a lawsuit.

At that time Duke Environmental Law and Policy Clinic issued a 60 day notice of intent to file a lawsuit. To avoid the lawsuit, the NC Fisheries had to ban gill nets from inshore waters.

Nowlin said that banning gill nets is nothing new and that the commercial fishing industry can do well without that form of fishing.

“Almost every Atlantic state with significant sea turtle populations has banned or severely restricted these nets in areas where sea turtles nest and forage, proving that commercial fishing can prosper without this harmful technology,” stated Nowlin.

She also noted the lawsuit is a result of the turtle population continuing to decline and the ESA not being enforced.

“After years of trying to address these problems through regulatory channels, sea turtle populations continue to decline.  We must ask the court to enforce the law so that sea turtle populations may recover to the point where the legal protections afforded by the Endangered Species Act are no longer needed,” stated Nowlin.

According to the US Fish and Wildlife Service, all five species of sea turtles found in the waters off North Carolina’s coast are designated as either threatened or endangered.

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  • anonymous posted at 6:55 am on Wed, Mar 17, 2010.

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    I am a fourth generation member of two commercial fishing families...one side dealers - the other fishermen. I was the captain's daughter and now I am a captains's wife with a little girl of my own. I would hate to believe this is the end of everything I know because of a turtle and some well-financed and misguided recreational fishermen. This is th Coastal Fisheries Reform Group's handiwork...you can put mney on that. And you can put money on this...the commercial fishing families will rely on God's goodness and grace as we have for centuries. One last thought.. if Florida is such a great example of fisheries management why do they have to raise red drum to release for the sports fishemen to slay even when there are n't e nets to compete with?

     
  • anonymous posted at 2:11 pm on Tue, Mar 16, 2010.

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    I like turtle chowder mmm mmm good.

     
  • anonymous posted at 8:39 am on Tue, Mar 16, 2010.

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    glen montgomery Why are you calling others liars! When I have seen post on here that asked you guys the same thing and you have not answered! " Why is a Section 10 permit from the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) needed. This permit would allow commercial fishermen in North Carolina to have a certain number of interactions with sea turtles. why is it being applyed for? Every commerical fisherman that I have every heard talk say the same thing. They have NEVER caught a turtle! No commercial fisherman has ever caught a turtle! I find this very hard to beleave! Here is my point, DMF obtained an ICP in 2009 for 120 green sea turtles inside Pamlico Sound and closed the flounder fishery when that number WAS REACHED A FEW DAYS LATER after the lawsuit was announced. And, Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:10:30 ther was a report of 1,840 turtle strandings have been reported over the last three years in Gill-nets. The NCDMF obtained a permit from the NMFS which allows the "incidental capture" of over 200 Sea Turtles per year in the Pamilco Sound by gill-net fishermen. But no one catches them.Why do they need to get a permit if it is not needed? I have seen people say they have fished for 20 or 30 years and never seen a turtle! How can this be? So please tell me on this issue who is telling the lies?

     
  • anonymous posted at 6:33 am on Tue, Mar 16, 2010.

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    I guess that telling lies just comes natural to some folk and they couldn't be truful if their life depended on it. But back to some facts, NC may indeed be the only State along the eastern seaboard that still allows shrimp trawling in some of its inside waters but then again SC, GA, Florida have very little sounds and large bays to begin with. Virginia has a large bay but sadly no shrimp. Now lets take a look at the gulf coast States that have so many fish after the gill net bans, Texas, Louisiana, Miss, and Alabama all allow shrimp trawling in their inside waters but yet have plenty of fish. Might come as a surprise but Texas and Florida are the only 2 States between NC and Texas that have a complete ban on gill nets. Now if some of these liars can show proof that my facts are wrong then lets see the evidence.

     
  • anonymous posted at 2:19 am on Tue, Mar 16, 2010.

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    "TO BILL W."Can you please explain to me why so much bottom has been permanently closed to shellfishing? Could it possibly be due to the pollution caused by developments right along the water? Bill W. Chesapeake Bay is a lot bigger than Bogue Sound and it's average depth is 21 feet vs Bogue Sounds 3 feet. The Chesapeake Bay is also about 200 miles long vs Bogue Sound only being about 23 miles long.

     
  • anonymous posted at 7:08 am on Mon, Mar 15, 2010.

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    Great comment and you are right. Thats why every other state in the eastern US has stoped it. But not NC. This state is catching h*ll from commercial fisherman. We have commercial fisherman coming here from alot of the other states that has band gill nets. Just to put there nets in our waters. Our waters has been fished twice as hard as the other states around us just because we still allow this crap in our waters. I see one of them stated you cant see through the fog, But it isnt fog that is distroying our fisheries its the gill nets.If gill nets where not the biggest problem the other states would have let them back in ther waters by now! But if you will look at all the results from the states that has gill net bans you will see there fisheries are rebuilding in there inland waters. I hope they stop it all in NC waters soon. But Bill you are right but. But some of these (word removed by editor) dont care. This has been coming for the last 30 or so years. And they still want to keep going on the same path they have been going all the time. If you are walking down the road, And you are going away from where you want to go. You have to CHANGE YOUR DIRECTION to get where you want to be. But some of these guys would keep walking away crying the whole time. But then they are to blame for the end of commerical fishing. NO ONE ELSE. Just for greed.

     
  • anonymous posted at 3:21 am on Mon, Mar 15, 2010.

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    The thing I can't figure out is everybody says the sea turtles are all bieng killed by gill nets. But what I find ironic is back in the 70's and early 80's when thier were 5 times more commercial fisherman than thier is now YOU NEVER SAW A TURTLE UNLESS HE WAS IN A POT OF TATERS AND ONIONS! Another thing where is the latest stock acessment showing the turtles are in trouble?? The fact is thier has never been one done. And to Russell have thought of the habitat destruction that has occured over on condo row????? There are so many lights on that strip of beach over there its not even funny. Bill W. You don't need to worry about the boys in Pamlico sound. I wanna hear what you have to say when you eat those ROTTEN IMPORTED SHRIMP AND FISH from Wal-Mart. To all of you who are griping about us. We are the ones who built this county, Not your developer friends, CCA members or fly by night guide services.

     
  • anonymous posted at 7:58 pm on Sun, Mar 14, 2010.

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    Pretzel logic Bill W. It just isn't that simple, but you make it look like it is. A bit of research might help you to see through the fog. Clammerhead

     
  • anonymous posted at 7:01 am on Sat, Mar 13, 2010.

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    The hard cold truth of the matter is this. The fin fish that the inshore netters have depended on for years such as the Croaker, Spot, and Flounder are disappearing! Why is this happening? Some would say polution and water quality? Let me ask this question, does anyone out there really believe that the Albemarle Sound and the Pamlico Sound have more polution dumped into them than the Chesapeake Bay? Take a look at the map and look ath all the massive populations and cities at the headwaters of the Chesapeake.So why have the inshore fin fish populations in the Chesapeake remained viable while ours are in concern or depleted? What could possibly be the correlation?Here’s your answer and then I am done. Inshore Shrimp/Crab Trawling! Ask the commercial inshore net fisherman who does this full time for a living. To the man they will agree. The trawling is destroying 10 pounds of baby finfish for every pound of shrimp harvested. NC is the only state on the Atlantic Seaboard that still allows this inshore travesty. It needs to stop and stop now!

     
  • anonymous posted at 8:58 am on Wed, Mar 10, 2010.

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    I have posted this on several other stories hear and I got not one answer. Maybe I can get one here.Mike Allen wrote on Mar 9, 2010 11:44 AM:" I have a few questions that no one ever answers from either side of the table.1. How much to the $2.5 billion generated by recreational fishermen in 2006 was incidental? Could a portion of that amount be attributed to people who were already here on vacation and just happened to fish while here?2. There seems to be a correlation with the loss of wet lands, development of coastal properties, and the increase in boat traffic with declining fish stocks. Why is this so when there are less commercial fishermen?3. Will there be a law that requires all beaches to be closed from May through October so that sea turtles can nest? Will it also be required that no homes along the beach be allowed to have any light on except a red one so as to not disturb the turtles?4. Where is the data that turtle stocks are declining? If there is more interaction by less fishermen then that would seem to mean more turtles.5. Will we stop other countries from overfishing or harvesting endangered species such as sea turtles? The worlds oceans are connected you know.6. If fishing is so destructive to the environment and fishermen need to find other jobs how do we accomplish this task? Who is going to pay so that they can be retrained?7. If we don't retrain the fishermen to do other jobs then will we develop a more sustainable and environmentally responsible way harvest seafood?8. Fishermen will you continue to resist change or will you work for a better tomorrow?9. Fishermen will you finally band together? How about creating a co-op that will keep your prices from being dropped to nothing and give you a large voice to stop imported seafood. Better prices for fishermen means that less catch is needed to pay the bills.10. Finally to all, what will you have to fight about when it's all gone? Why not work together for the common good instead of bickering and fighting like two children over a toy. I wait any day for one of you to say "Oh yeah well my Dad can beat up your Dad!!!"Let's end this and find a solution for all. "

     
  • anonymous posted at 7:23 am on Tue, Mar 9, 2010.

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    If North Carolinians are worried about the direction we are headed here is a heads-up on our future if we continue to allow the wackos to make the rules:http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/saltwater/news/story?id=4975762

     
  • anonymous posted at 4:52 am on Mon, Mar 8, 2010.

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    Make no mistake !..................These people are environmental wackos and if they had their way, we would all be eating soy and leaves. I used to donate to the "Turtle" hospital because I like turtles and wanted to help them when they were accidentally injured by boats. Now I see how a little power has completely corrupted these people and I will never donate another dollar to them.The last time I came across an injured turtle he became a fantastic "Soup" and that is nature's way. That may upset some people...........but I don't care. These people are very strange birds and unfortunately, making a very nice living off of the entire issue...........now let's allow the fishermen to make their living ! There are fewer fishermen today and the turtles did just fine before the "turtle people" came along. Will somebody have to form a group to save the Commercial Fishmen ?

     
  • anonymous posted at 8:09 am on Sun, Mar 7, 2010.

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    I posted this somewhere else, but since some people enjoy using estimates, I'll supply some factual numbers.According to the Karen Beasley Sea Turtle Research and Rehabilitation Center’s records (found on their site under “patients”), from 1996-2009 they admitted just a little over 300 turtles. Of those admitted, 100 were admitted for “Internal” illnesses, which is how they label turtles with viral, fungal, or unknown illnesses. Of those 100 turtles, 10 are current “patients”, 68 were released, and 22 died. There were also 79 turtles admitted for fractures, and 11 of those are current patients, 53 were released, 13 died, 1 was euthanized, and 1 was placed in a zoo. There have been 67 turtles admitted for cold stuns; 2 of those are current patients and 65 were released. Then we come to those turtles admitted for “Hook, entanglement, gillnet, or other” (please note the “other”). In this category, there were 49 total turtles admitted from 1996-2009. Of those 49, 6 are current patients, 42 were released, and 1 died. That one turtle that died was injured by monofilament line, and was still trailing the hook and sinker when he was found (see “Washington” admitted in 2007). There were 4 turtles admitted as floaters, and all of them were released. There was 1 “net capture” from 1996-2009 (“Yachtie” in 2009), he died, but there is no information for him that gives the circumstance like almost all of the others. There were also other turtles admitted for various reasons such as punctures, lost, external infections, prolapsed cloaca, etc, with one in each category. Now, let’s see those numbers again.Internal: 100 total….22 diedFracture: 79 total…...13 diedCold stun: 67 total…. 0 diedHook, net, other: 49 total….1 diedSo, that tells us that the top three reasons turtles have been admitted into the KBSTRRC do not include gillnets. Internal illnesses are either from nature or pollution. Fractures are usually from boat propellers or animal attacks (such as sharks). Cold stun is also a natural occurrence. Hook, entanglement, gillnet, or other includes both recreational and commercial fishermen, as well as injuries from stingrays and shark bites. Now, before you say that is just one hospital, keep in mind that the KBSTRRC receives turtles from other sea turtle rescue groups, and from all over NC, the US, and even got one from the UK. The numbers just don't add up.Now, why are they targeting commercial fishermen? I think that for them, fishermen are easy targets. It's hard to sue the entire country/world for pollution that causes illness and death, building developers that take nesting grounds for beach houses and businesses, Mother Nature for natural selection, climate change for influencing migrant patterns and the sex of turtles, etc. It’s easier to directly identify a group of people to place the blame and even more so since they work directly with the environment. Before you jump on a bandwagon, educate yourselves.

     
  • anonymous posted at 7:42 pm on Sat, Mar 6, 2010.

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    INTERESTING, would you please tell me WHO estimates that the commercial fishing industry contributes to the deaths of thousands to tens of thousands of sea turtles each year? How do they come up with these "estimates?" WHAT are your facts? What studies? You're just spewing the same old bull that you see on pamphlets or billboards on the highway. You know NOTHING. But I will challenge you, my dear bleeding heart. If you're so worried about turtles, stop staying at motels and condos on the beach. Stop building mansions on the sand. I bet you and Ms. Beasley and all her cohorts will NEVER DO THAT. How hypocritical to sit in your air conditioned mansions and point fingers at fishermen. Then when all the fishermen are bankrupt, you can swoop in and pave over all the marshes with a bunch of yuppie developments, put a couple of turtles in a tank, and feel oh so superior and green. It makes me want to puke. Clammerhead, I'd vote for you for president if you ran.

     
  • anonymous posted at 5:25 pm on Sat, Mar 6, 2010.

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    Just saw on the news where there were more stunned by the cold. Perhaps we should gather all our gill nets and set them on fire to warm the water. You bunch of tree huggers would love that wouldn't you?

     
  • anonymous posted at 5:08 pm on Sat, Mar 6, 2010.

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    And the numbers keep changing.Clammerhead

     
  • anonymous posted at 1:42 pm on Sat, Mar 6, 2010.

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    Maybe The Karen Beasley Sea Turtle Rescue and Rehabilitation Center needs to send out a letter. To everyone in NC that has a save the sea turtle license plate. And ask them to call and write there congressman on this. It’s estimated that the commercial fishing industry contributes to the death of thousands to tens of thousands of sea turtles each year. Turtles that become trapped in longlines, gill nets and trawls are thrown away as bycatch. If the 20,000 call and write it will make a diffrence. And stop all the waste.

     
  • anonymous posted at 2:02 am on Sat, Mar 6, 2010.

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    Is it about TURTLES or turtles on the endangered species list or is it about one user group being jealous over the other? There are many species and not all are endangered. They are just another animal of the sea, meant to provide food for humans.It seems that sportfisherman are on the side of the Net Ban, as usual. Do they think that hook and line fishing should be exempt? I understand a lot of sea turtles have been found with hooks in their stomach and stuck in their throat being the determined cause of death.My ol pappy said the turtle doctors would shut fishing down for good eventually , and the sporties would be there to cheer them on. Do the sporties think we { real fisherman} will forget who put us out of business. What comes around goes around, right?Lastly, and bestly, before starving out the fisherman families, like the JR Ewing sportie types are trying to do, lets ban all fast speed boats and big yachts and ships that can hit turtles and injure or kill them, and all sportfishing which can kill turtles with their sharp hooks and lines. Ban all traffic , foot or especially vehicle traffic, from the beaches, {not just in NC but from the east and west and gulf coast's which can interfere with turtle nesting and baby turtles making it to the ocean after hatching.Finally lets ban misinformed ,misguided individuals from making decisions that affect the entire segment of the coastal population . As a footnote I am no longer a commercial fisherman , I went to work for the government 12 years ago because of the same type of BS that sportfisherman and turtle doctors are pulling right now. For those racists that often post here on both sides of the issues, the name Pescador, fisherman in Spanish and Portuguese, is what I will always be , born and bred in Atlantic and Beaufort NC . My Daddy , his whole family tree dating back to the first settlers in Coastal NC fought this type of racism. When he gave up I gave up. Commercial Fisherman are a race to themselves and they have been discriminated against since the state capital was moved from New Bern to Raleigh. In other countries the fisherman are heralded as heroes who risk life and limb to provide food for the population who is unable to do so on their own. In the US , the greatest country on the earth, real fisherman are subjected to legalized racist ,endentured servitude, and are now slowly being strangled by every other ethnic group who wants control of the coastal area.

     
  • anonymous posted at 4:34 pm on Fri, Mar 5, 2010.

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    Has anyone thought about the fact that Karen Beasley and her staff handle more turtles than commercial fishermen do.Who knows the destiny of a turtle. It is not ours to decide. Supposed the ones they have been saving were meant to die to feed another creature? Life interrupted !If we are not allowed to interact with turtles, why is she? Furthermore, She interacts with them on purpose. She gets paid to do it, and we lose money trying not to.I don't know who gave her the power to do so, but I wish they would renege. I know if I was the one, I wouldn't tell a lot of people.Here's an idea; Put commercial fishermen on the Endangered Species List. Then it would be illegal to harass us. Not to mention, when one of needed medical care, we could get some of the best doctors in the world, instead of Web Med.Plus if we couldn't be harassed, the lawsuit would have to be dropped. It's a win-win.Clammerhead

     
  • anonymous posted at 10:05 am on Fri, Mar 5, 2010.

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    turtles are people too.

     
  • anonymous posted at 9:18 am on Fri, Mar 5, 2010.

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    I love turtle soup.

     
  • anonymous posted at 8:42 am on Fri, Mar 5, 2010.

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    QUESTION You can read the entire turtle & Gill Net law suite. At http://www.billhitchcock.net/ You will slso find a intervew with Dr louis Daniel and Rob Bizzell on this issue. You can also hear an intervew with Richen Brame the director of the CCA. On the issue and how they want the commercial fisherman to go to using pound nets. Russell''

     
  • anonymous posted at 7:39 am on Fri, Mar 5, 2010.

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    BIO MAN I know what this lawsuit is about it is about lies and false data. But I also know that there is a blackmarket of all kinds of turtles bing shipped over seas.Throughout the world, turtles are killed and traded on the global market as exotic food, oil, leather, and jewelry. millions of hawkbill turtles alone have been killed just for the price of their shells. And even though today the global trade of luxury and craft items has reduced thanks to conservation efforts, it still remains an ongoing threat to turtles in parts of Africa, Asia and in America. Russell''

     
  • anonymous posted at 4:49 am on Fri, Mar 5, 2010.

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    Russell why are you talking about fresh water turtles when this whole thing is over sea turtles????If we want to eat a turtle here all we got to do is go find a snapper in the ditch banks. Like I said in a previous post I have a snapper in a barrell at home feeding him scraps to get the mud taste out and since Sunday is looking pretty, he dont know it yet but he is going to be the dinner guest of honor.POINT BLANK, this is a unjust, unfair, bogus lawsuit she is filing because she targets gill nets which in turn pretty much the only people using them are commercial fishermen. While if she wanted to file a suit she should be filing against Toursists that walk on the beach in the summer, people who live on the beach with lights close to the water, townships with lights close to the water, recreational fishermen, commercial fishermen, tiger sharks, seabirds, dredges, pier owners, shrimp trawlers, the NC port authority, Anything that could possibly interact and endanger turtles. This is only fair, it is like trying to sue McDonalds for making Americans fat and not sueing BK, Hardees, KFC, and Bogangles.Silly is it not????????

     
  • anonymous posted at 3:09 am on Fri, Mar 5, 2010.

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    I recently read an article about the funding cuts at D.U.M.L. Good. They need to have their funding cut. Any organization that would openly support this lawsuit against commercial fishermen, when the data is speculative at best, does not deserve funding from the people that they are helping to put out of business. I guess they forgot commercial fishermen pay taxes that help support their funding.Even though the lawsuit is being sponsored by their law department, it is still all a part of the same university. Plus, what kind of legal department would support any lawsuit that has such unsubstantiated evidence presented. This whole thing stinks to the highest level possible. It makes one wonder who is scratching each others backs.My 14 year old daughter, with a 4.89 gpa. has been courted by Duke since she was in the 2nd grade and refuses to accept their offers for things such as this. She also took the second place in the N.C. High School Algebra Competition last year,when she was in the 8th grade. She said to me " Clammerhead, ( my kids call me Clammerhead )the numbers just don't add up. How can they come up with actual numbers when they are using made up numbers for their basis? "Kids say the darnedest things. The sad part is that what she said makes more sense than the college that has been courting her.Clammerhead

     
  • anonymous posted at 10:01 am on Thu, Mar 4, 2010.

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    Has anyone read the entire law suit yet? If so where can I find it? Thnaks.

     
  • anonymous posted at 6:07 am on Thu, Mar 4, 2010.

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    Well Russell, that tells us how Florida can boast such a great seafood market. Maybe N.C. fishermen should go to Florida to work. It has been done before.Clammerhead

     
  • anonymous posted at 4:16 am on Thu, Mar 4, 2010.

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    I just saw a report on the dredging going on along the coast near Wrightville Beach. They are pumping sand on the beach to re-nourish it. Now that the job is done there, they will move to Currie Beach, Ocean isle, and Carolina Beach. They will be back at Wrightville Beach in four years.I wonder just how many turtles will be ground up in the cutter heads between now and then.Immediately after that report was a report about the new addition beginning at the Karen Beasley Turtle Hoaxpitle. As usual, there was no report of Karen Beasley protesting the dredging or turtle deaths caused by it. Much less a lawsuit to stop it. Then again why would there be? After all, this where many of her supporters live, on the beach.Clammerhead

     
  • anonymous posted at 3:50 am on Thu, Mar 4, 2010.

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    CLAMMERHEAD Here is a article I found I thought you might would like to read. 1000's of Florida turtles end up on dinner plates in Asia. (November 20, 2008) THE PROBLEM: Having depleted their own turtle populations, many countries have begun importing large numbers of Florida softshell turtles. The Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission recently cut the commercial catch limit to 20 turtles per day per person, but many scientists say this won't be enough to prevent the species' decline... It's unclear whether that will have much effect because no one knows how many fishermen there are and how many turtles they've been catching.Hauled from canals and marshes around Lake Okeechobee, turtles arrive in the late afternoon at Jones Fish House, a corrugated metal structure on the Palm Beach County side of the lake.A truck sent by Tamarac seafood broker Wan To Ho pulls up every few days and takes the turtles to Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport for a journey that will end in the soup bowls of Hong Kong, Beijing and Shanghai."The real problem is we have no idea how many people are fishing, we don't know how many they're taking," said Peter Meylan, professor of biology at Eckerd College in St. Petersburg, who was among 32 scientists who signed a letter urging the state to impose a one-turtle-a-day limit. "Two guys fishing together can catch 40 turtles in a day. You're talking about a lot of biomass being taking out of ecosystems all over Florida."Driving the business is the rising wealth of China, Vietnam, Malaysia and other Asian nations, where the desire for exotic meats and traditional medical ingredients has increased demand for such items as turtle and shark fins."In China and Vietnam, freshwater turtle and tortoise meat is a delicacy," said Barney Long, a wildlife biologist with the World Wildlife Fund.AN EXAMPLE: One Fort Lauderdale seafood exporter buys 15,000 pounds a week, or 1,000 to 1,500 turtles, according to another state report. Kevin Enge, the biologist who wrote the report, confirmed that it was referring to Wan To Ho, president of Mr. Sushi Catering, of Tamarac."I think I'm not doing anything wrong," said Ho, who emigrated from southern China more than 30 years ago. "I help export. I help the fishermen."PLEASE FOLLOW LINK FOR IN DEPTH COVERAGE:http://www.sun-sentinel.com/features/lifestyle/green/sfl-flbturtles1119sbnov19,0...FYI: THE TOP 3 TURTLE INPORTERS ARE:HONG KONG 13.6 million TAIWAN 6.2 millionMEXICO 3.5 million This opens new doors dont it? Russell''

     
  • anonymous posted at 3:32 am on Thu, Mar 4, 2010.

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    MORTY GASKILL Here is the problem with a comprehensive study on the turtle population. The last real conclusive study of sea turtles was in the mid 70's. And there hasn't been a new study preformed. Even wildlife biologist and sea turtle experts sya that they cant be shure just how many turtles there are. Conservation priorities are based upon how healthy and stable a population is. For sea turtles, it is still unknown what constitutes a healthy population. Understanding the proportion of males to females necessary for a population to stabilize and grow will help guide conservation efforts on a global scale. The male sea turtles do not return to land, And they cant keep up with how many juveniles there are. So there is no way of keeping count on how many there is. It is virtually impossible to come up with an accurate count on sea turtles. So that only means they dont know how many turtles there are, And if they are in danger or not! Russell''

     
  • anonymous posted at 9:34 pm on Wed, Mar 3, 2010.

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    What do we do when there is nothing left to compromise? We need a answer on that one quickly, because we are there now.Clammerhead

     
  • anonymous posted at 2:52 pm on Wed, Mar 3, 2010.

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    As a sixteen year-old commercial fisherman who is relying on fishing to pay for college I am appalled at these developments. However what some of you people don't realize is that if the fishermen cannot accept a compromise, then we're just gonna be shut down permanently. Look what happened in snapper-grouper. If we can't find a way to compromise here, we're gonna be in even hotter water than before. Screaming and yelling for the status quo are just going to get us shut down for good.I believe if there was a comprehensive study of sea turtle populations, then the data will vindicate our point that sea turtle populations are increasing.

     
  • anonymous posted at 2:13 pm on Wed, Mar 3, 2010.

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    I never liked the taste of turtle, even when Mama made us eat it. It was a mainstay of their diet on the island. Thank God cows and hogs aren't on the endangered list. I much prefer them to turtle. However, shrimp is another matter. Love it anyway it is prepared.

     
  • anonymous posted at 5:38 pm on Tue, Mar 2, 2010.

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    This is more turtles than all the gill netters together are allowed to kill under the section 10 permit. This is just the sad facts people. http://islandfreepress.org/2010Archives/02.25.2010-ColdStunnedSeaTurtlesRescuedOnOcracokeAndLostOnPortsmouth.html

     
  • anonymous posted at 3:02 pm on Tue, Mar 2, 2010.

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    To; TO CLAMMERHEAD,The way your question is worded, followed by your statement, I choose to not give you a simple "yes or no" answer. However, I will comment on the subject in whole as you have described.Many years ago commercial fishermen were required to install FEDs And TEDs on their shrimp trawls. The purpose of these were to allow fish and turtles to escape. The upside of these were more turtles and fish alike escaped the trawls. Thus reducing interactions between commercial fishermen and turtles, and reducing by-catch. The downside of the excluders were the subsequent reduction of catch for the targeted species. This increased the amount of trawling that must be done to gain a full catch. Fill in the blanks on that one.Another result was the increased number of turtles in the water, thus increasing the amount of interactions between commercial and recreational fishermen alike. This has also increased the number of turtles being injured in other ways by other groups of people. The same holds true for the amount of turtles that die do to natural causes and cold shock.I do not have the stats available on turtles killed by long-liners. I will say that when I was using long-lines, I caught a lot of big fish but not one single turtle, for what that is worth. Also there are not many fishermen that use long-lines along the N.C. coast, and the ones that do are usually far enough offshore that they are not a major problem to turtles in comparison to many other events affecting turtles. It is important to understand exactly how long-lines work, what they target, and where they are used. Most long-lines are set at night and retrieved in the morning. Most turtles that are caught by long-lines are ones that were entangled late in the fishing operation, or caught on hook after sunrise when they can see the bait. Turtles have very poor eyesight, and do not fish as aggressively at night. The fact that most of them are not entangled or hooked all night, often results in them being released alive.Long-lining is not an inshore fisheries, and neither are the fish they target. There is also the fact to consider that there are not that many long-liners working out waters, so it stands to reason that there are less interactions.When you speak of gill nets, you are not talking about just one kind of net. Nets that are usually left to fish overnight are such as, flounder and spot nets. They are shallow in depth and do not fish the entire water column. In most cases they are picked up around sunrise and re-deployed at sunset. Many times they are checked at least once during the fishing period. Thus limiting the amount of turtle deaths, and by-catch. Another type of gill net is the mullet net. It is usually a deeper net, and used to surround the fish, while gilling some, and seining others. If a turtle is caught in one, it isn't long before it is removed and released. The last thing you want in your net while trying to pull a net full of mullets onto the beach, is a turtle. They will tear the net and let the fish out. Anyone that has ever mullet fished, will tell you that it doesn't take a big hole to let almost all of the fish out. When one goes, the rest follow, unlike a spot that will swim through the net and swim back to see it from the other side again.Another type of gill net is sink net. It is rapidly deployed and almost immediately retrieved. It would be odd to see a turtle get entangled and not released unharmed by a sink net. The point I am getting at is that most gill nets that are responsible for turtle deaths,( the same can be said about by-catch) are from recreational fishermen that do not tend their nets according to law, and renegade fishermen that use gill nets illegally. If you believe the numbers given about interactions between gill nets and turtles, and I don't, it is still a relativity small amount compared to other causes of turtle deaths and injuries. In fact, gill nets interaction numbers can be written in decimals, when compared to deaths and injuries from pollution, disturbed nest, vessel interactions, illegal and/or legal harvest for food, dredging, and many other causes. This is not the only causes for turtle stock interruptions either. Another great factor is house and street lights along the beaches where they nest. Turtles don't like to come ashore where there are bright lights. Let's not forget the foot and other traffic that destroys the nest and kill the unborn embryos. There are also the predatory animals that have been taking advantage of the nest and water bound turtles. Many of those have been protected also, thus increasing their numbers and the damage they do.Commercial fishermen are somewhat like the proverbial " redhead, snotty nose stepchild that chews on the furniture ". We are the easiest to beat on and nobody cares, as long as they get rid of us. Don't be fooled by all the hype from the turtle lovers. This proposed gill net ban has absolutely nothing to do with turtles. It is all about getting rid of commercial fishermen. Soon there will be several lawsuits pressed against certain groups and it will all become clear, just what has been going on and why. Sadly, some groups and organizations will realize how they have been used without even knowing it. Unfortunately, they will still be held accountable for their actions along with the perpetrators.I hope I have answered your questions. If not contact me at thepollutedloon@gmail.com or post here again.Clammerhead

     
  • anonymous posted at 2:51 pm on Tue, Mar 2, 2010.

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    Only 58% of turtles born will live through the first year. Every year thousands of baby sea turtles go in to the ocean. so lets do some math.If 50'000 baby turtles go into the water this year. You have to do a little math 50'000 x 58% = 29'000 will live for 1 year. Then you start over 29'000 x 58% = 16'820. left after just two years. and the math is the same every year after that. If you do the math on this you will find that after 10 years you will only have 215 turtles left.Out of 50'000! So my question is how can the commercial fisherman be to blame for all this? They cant. more to come Russell''

     
  • anonymous posted at 12:48 pm on Tue, Mar 2, 2010.

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    OK everyone seems to think the gill netters need to fish a different way. Does anyone know how to catch a bluefish, trout, spot or croaker any other way in any volume? Pounds won't catch them and trawling for them does a whole lot more damage. Long hauling would work if you've got 50k to invest so you could make a couple of hundred dollars a day. Course that would be seasonal and weather dependant. See where this is going? Yes there should be stricter rules on gill nets but they should not be totally banned. The economy can't afford it right now.

     
  • anonymous posted at 12:04 pm on Tue, Mar 2, 2010.

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    you go Ms Beasley. By saving a turtle you might just allow us rec fisherman a good days catch again.

     
  • anonymous posted at 11:56 am on Tue, Mar 2, 2010.

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    About 80 percent of stranded sea turtles are found dead, victims of disease, boat injuries and entanglements in garbage and fishing line, said Allen Foley, a wildlife biologist and sea turtle expert with the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. What do you think clammrehead it looks like they know that net's are not the problem?

     
  • anonymous posted at 11:42 am on Tue, Mar 2, 2010.

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    End Shrimp Trawling. It damages the ocean floor and kills Turtles. End this along with gill netting.We dont need to eat bottom feeding nasty shrimp that one has to put butter and garlic on it to give it taste.

     
  • anonymous posted at 8:40 am on Tue, Mar 2, 2010.

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    Do you think that shrimp trawls with there nets and longliners do the most damage to turtles? I personaly think they would do way more damage than say a commercial fisherman putting out a gill net in the sound. But I just wanted to hear you thoughts on this! Thanks.

     
  • anonymous posted at 3:55 am on Tue, Mar 2, 2010.

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    David I noticed it too, you know what they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.On this I really don’t know where to go; I am a bit conflicted as it were. I am not a fan of gill nets large mesh, small mesh, pound, and the other varieties not mentioned, I feel that they do kill indiscriminately and some turtles are bound to wind up in a net. I really dont care about the turtles a whole lot, I mean they are pretty to look at and do serve a miniscule purpose but a species that has close to a 1 in 10,000 survival rate is not built to last forever. I think gill netting can continue but should be a little more micro managed, when I see a net full of red drum when it was set to target trout, it makes me think that there can be a better way. I saw it mentioned once here about internal trawling, and yes I know about those real expensive stainless steel turtle grates installed in the nets but having worked on a shrimp boat before I must say that I was appalled at the amount of by catch, mostly juvenile fish and inverts that get thrown back dead for the sake of a few pounds of shrimp. To me commercial fishing even though it has been refined much over the years still has a long way to go before it is a friendly way to provide seafood. But you can’t make an omelet without breaking an egg.In the same sense recreational fisherman encounter sea turtles too. Rather it be inadvertent boat strikes or incidental hooking with fishing gear there still is a percentage of mortality contributed to this way of fishing too. I have seen it mentioned here already and I totally agree a walk down the beach by a tourist that don’t know any better is as big of a threat to the population as both methods of fishing combined. One step in the wrong place and a whole nest is destroyed. So in the sense of fair unfair I think this suit is a crock she is targeting commercial fishermen when to do it right should be targeting everyone who sets foot on a beach or in a boat destined for salt water commercial or recreational. Now for the thing that bugs me the most about this whole forum and in any article to do with any kind of commercial fishing. Fishermen by nature are adaptive and good at overcoming adversity to make a catch. BUT it seems to me that NC commercial fishermen do not possess such a mentality, I see tradition this and way of life that and it makes me think that you guys cannot adapt to the changing clime of not only the NC fishery but the world in general. You would be perfectly content to use a 100 year old fishing method with the same gear used a century ago and to heck with anyone who tries to change anything. Now keep in mind I think this suit is a crock so I am not saying just roll over and take it but new times call for new measures. Just as in any job or the world in general we are measured by our ability to adapt to change and overcome adversity. SO??? Now finally to touch on the tree huggers, Turtle stew was a common dish around here many years ago and I am sure that there are still a few turtles that make this journey despite the law, acts, and bills to protect them. Snapping turtles which are not in any way shape or form endangered make a fine meal too, in fact I have one in a barrel at home feeding it table scraps to get the mud taste out of the meat. Should be ready in another week or so YUMMY. So no need with the “How Dare You” because any person over the age of 40 in this region has probably heard about or in fact have eaten turtle. It is a tradition that is like all things here very slow to fade away.

     
  • anonymous posted at 3:01 pm on Mon, Mar 1, 2010.

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    Hmm No the bigest killer of sea turtles is Pollution. November 5, 2009 -- Preliminary studies led by Dr. Kathy Townsend from The University of Queensland indicate that more than 45% of the sea turtles she has studied in Australia died from eating trash.Hundreds of thousands of sea turtles die each year from ocean pollution and ingestion or entanglement in marine debris. New research suggests that a disease now killing many sea turtles (fibropapillomas) may be linked to pollution in the oceans and in near-shore waters. Then you would have to move to. Natural Threats'' such as raccoons, crabs and ants raid eggs and hatchlings still in the nest. Once they emerge, hatchlings make bite-sized meals for birds, crabs and a host of predators in the ocean. After reaching adulthood, sea turtles are relatively immune to predation, except for the occasional shark attack. Only 1 in 1,000 to 10,000 sea turtles will live to maturity. Major predators after nest emergence are birds and fish." THEN it is shrimp trawls and longline. And dont forget that Dredges is in there with them. Russell''

     
  • anonymous posted at 11:22 am on Mon, Mar 1, 2010.

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    Just what is the deal with all the screen names using clam or clammer?Clammerhead

     
  • anonymous posted at 11:05 am on Mon, Mar 1, 2010.

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    See Russell, I told you it was those darn gill nets.Clammerhead

     
  • anonymous posted at 10:33 am on Mon, Mar 1, 2010.

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    Let's just say it folks. IT"S NOT ABOUT THE TURTLES!!!

     
  • anonymous posted at 10:14 am on Mon, Mar 1, 2010.

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    So we let the fishermen fish and allow them to use this inhumane way of catching. Suffocation pure and simple. And we allow the Sea Turtles to suffer such a death. It is time to end gill netting. Find some other means to make the catch. I want all fishermen to make a living for they truely deserve it since it is very hard work but the way they go about it destroys many many other species besides Sea Turtles and this is senseless.Find a better way but I doubt that. Corrupt RALEIGH will stick some more money into their pockets and allow gill netting to continue. That is the way it is here in Corrupt North Carolina ,,OOPSTHAT IS THE WAY IT IS HERE IN NORTH CAROMEXICO THANKS TO THE CORRUPTION IN RALEIGH.

     
  • anonymous posted at 10:00 am on Mon, Mar 1, 2010.

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    I thought most sea turtles where killed by shrimp trawls and longline?

     
  • anonymous posted at 8:04 am on Mon, Mar 1, 2010.

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    What is the leading cause of death for sea turtles? Sea turtle worldwide are either threatened or endangered and are protected on local and federal levels. The global decline in sea turtle numbers is due to many causes, including habitat destruction, coastal development, and the poaching of eggs and adult turtles. Historically, the poaching and harvesting of turtles for meat, shells, jewelry, and other products was a leading cause of sea turtle mortality, and contributed greatly to the decline in turtle numbers. With increased protection, education, and the implementation of conservation programs as well as improvements in socioeconomic conditions, this has changed. Another important cause of sea turtle mortality is fibropapillomas, large tumors that inhibit a turtle’s ability to see, eat, and swim. These tumors, which are caused by a virus, may also be internal and affect organ function. In some areas, such as Florida and Hawaii, fibropapillomas have become an epidemic. 60% of the green turtle nesting population has these tumors, and the problem is spreading. The cause of this disease has not yet been determined, but may be attributed to water pollution. Scientists from numerous organizations and universities are currently studying this disease in the attempt to find not only the cause, but a cure. Additional causes of mortality may result from pollution and debris in the water. Debris such as plastic bags, fishing line, styrofoam and other objects may be ingested and result in death. Turtles may also become entangled in debris, such as fishing line, collect further debris while trying to swim, and eventually drown. There are many human-related causes of sea turtle mortality that have contributed to the decline in local and global numbers. It is estimated that more than 100 million marine animals are killed each year due to plastic debris in the ocean. Hundreds of thousands of sea turtles die each year when they ingest trash. Leatherbacks are especially susceptible to ingesting plastic, mistaking it for jellyfish. More than 80% of this plastic comes from land. In Mexico, thousands of inland residents journey to Pacific coastal communities during the week preceding Easter in search of sea turtles. During this short period of time, as many as 5,000 turtles are consumed in this region alone. It is Estimated that 5,678,432 turtles! Die each year. Dredging: Sea turtles can be caught and crushed in certain types of dredges. During a single month in 1991, as many as 17 turtles were killed at one site off the coast of Georgia. Date: 1 Jul 2003 From: ProMED-mail Source: The Statesman (South Carolina) 1 Jul 2003 [edited] Sea turtles are dying along the South Carolina coast this year in numbers that surprise wildlife officials. Nearly 80 sea turtles have washed ashore in South Carolina either dead or dying since January 2003. Only 1 in every 1,000 hatchlings will survive to adulthood, Volunteers, state biologists and conservation groups across Florida mounted an unprecedented rescue effort to save most of the 5,000 endangered sea turtles found near death during this month's cold snap. Despite their successes, roughly 2,000 died, Green sea turtles are estimated at over 88,500 nesting females exist in the wild. This is a start More to come. Russell''

     
  • anonymous posted at 7:17 am on Mon, Mar 1, 2010.

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    This lawsuit was inevitable due to the state of N.C. constantly siding with the interests of commercial fisherman over all else.NCMF is a joke with an understanding that they enforce fisheries laws,just not on the commercial guys.Lay the blame where it belongs with,Sen.Basnight and the grip he has over the rule making bodies in the legislature.Commercial fisherman in other states do fine without gill nets and the fishing greatly improved after the nets were removed.Things change in the outdoor world and people need to change accordingly.Hunters and fisherman have been subject to changing bag limits for many years and it is about time that the commercial fisherman have to play by the rules.Tradition for a livelihood has no place in the scientific management of a fishery over the prosperity of a fish species or turtle for that matter.

     
  • anonymous posted at 1:17 am on Mon, Mar 1, 2010.

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    It makes me proud to see that so many people have started realizing just what is going on with this situation. There are a lot of great and sensible comments about the true picture.Let's all follow up with this effort by being at the Core Sound Waterfowl Museum, Wed. march 3rd, at 3:00 pm. Senator Jean Preston will be there with a few others to hear from us. FISHERMEN UNITE. Russell, can you please give us some stats on turtle deaths and injuries that others won't or can't supply?Clammerhead

     
  • anonymous posted at 1:01 pm on Sun, Feb 28, 2010.

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    I have placed nets inshore for several years, lets talk fact not fiction, I have NEVER had a turtle in a single net and don't really know why anyone thinks this is a "problem"

     
  • anonymous posted at 9:12 am on Sun, Feb 28, 2010.

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    In my opinion, if the NCDMF would have enforced their own laws and regulations, this lawsuit would have never happened. Don't blame the turtles or the fisherman, blame DMF. If you look at the history of the DMF (how many Directors have they had over the past 20 years?) they have always been a do nothing, bury your head in the sand agency. Anyone who has spent any time on the water knows that enforcement of their own regulations is poor to nonexistent. It's time for a change, and we need to start with DMF.

     
  • anonymous posted at 5:09 am on Sun, Feb 28, 2010.

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    One person says "They supply fresh seafood to restaurants and in turn, make a living to support their family." Actually, the majority of NETTED fish in NC are transported to other states. Thus, "fresh" netted fish does not benefit the public interest of NC...stop Netting must stop,...

     
  • anonymous posted at 2:40 pm on Sat, Feb 27, 2010.

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    Most injured turtles that I have seen or ever heard about in the past 30 years were cut up by propeller blades........That's not gill net fishermen neither!!!!!!

     
  • anonymous posted at 11:50 am on Sat, Feb 27, 2010.

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    Carl got it Right! Development on our beaches has destroried the turtle nesting areas. I have fished nets, for over thirty years, in the ocean as well as inland waters and have not ever caught a sea turtle. If the fisherman can not supply the fish dealesrs with fish, then restaurant and fish markets will have to sell fish that come from overseas.

     
  • anonymous posted at 10:20 am on Sat, Feb 27, 2010.

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    @ Des...well saidthe situation I'm going to describe isn't about gill nets per se but still is worthy of consideration. Couple of years ago my wife and I were walking down in the area of the Ramada (Clamdigger) Hotel and saw some, I believe they're called "stop nets" out in the water. They were totally unattended and were there for easily a day or more. Next day we were walking down there again and a crew was pulling the nets in. We watched having never seen this before. We were appalled by the waste. There must of been 10 to 20 2-3 foot sharks dead in the netting as well as numerous fish either too small to have commercial value or of no commercial value. I don't think these guys kept 10 fish out of this mess. The dead fish and sharks were just left on the beach. I don't know if this behavior is characteristic of fisherman in general but this was a group I wouldn't want to have stewardship of an important natural resource. While I don't know if gill netting has the same kind of waste but this was quite disturbing to see. The over fishing of our waters is well documented. I think our fisheries need to be well regulated to prevent this type of waste and environmental destruction.

     
  • anonymous posted at 8:25 am on Sat, Feb 27, 2010.

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    I would like for Um Watch It to go back and read the comments that I made. I am all for the use of gill nets. Though I have nothing against turtles, they should NEVER be put ahead of people. Also, the commercial fishermen who are put out of business because of Jean Beasley will be unable to draw unemployment like so many of the people who are out of work today are doing.

     
  • anonymous posted at 7:55 am on Sat, Feb 27, 2010.

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    You rec fishermen better take a look at the current paitent list. I see a lot of fishing line and hook victims in there. You'll be next! I'm sure she'll be saying there has to be a better way than to use that old sharp hook and line. This will get completely out of control and end up costing the state millions of dollars. The science is not there for this. There hasn't been a study done on turtles since the 70's. And I agree if the state doesn't reimburse us for our gear we should sink it right in front of her hospital. Maybe then she'll be busy enough to mind her own business instead of sticking her nose where she knows nothing and hiding behind a bunch of lawyers.

     
  • anonymous posted at 5:24 am on Sat, Feb 27, 2010.

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    These are social terrorist (CCA and other groups} waging the same war spewing misinformation and bias they waged in Florida years ago.Last year they tried out right lying to our state representatives about how many fish they were catching and attempted a game fish bill in our legislature. Fortunetly, our legislatures saw the truth and shut the bill down.Now they attempt hiding the truth by sheilding their lies and misinformation with a sea turtle shell.By far the largest killer of sea turtles up here is cold stun and boat strikes in that order.Sea turtles are just their latest attempts to mislead, misinform, and out right lie to the public as a mechanism to take fish out of market places so they can have them all for themselves.God save our country from these rhetorical pathological liars.

     
  • anonymous posted at 2:05 am on Sat, Feb 27, 2010.

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    This is just another change forced down the throats of southerners by people who don't care about our families or our ways of living.Jean beaseley and the rest of her turtle lovers don't care that our fishing families struggle now because of foretgn prices to keep what we have.We don't have the money to invest in ways of fishing that would pacify her.We welcomed the turtle hospital with open arms only to be stabbed in the back by littigation and rule changes non stop.I remember a better time in the south before the great northern migration,before homeowners associations and turtle extruders and county taxes that stink like the northern cities that they seem resonable to.I say if they won't pay us to upgrade or pay us for what we spent sweat and blood to buy in order to feed our families then I say we abandon our heritage and our traditions of making a living.I say we cut our bouys loose and sink our nets one last time from tip to tip of Topsail Island let it be the grave yard of the Atlantic for seaturtles !I hope everyone has turtle soup tonight and celebrate !

     
  • anonymous posted at 1:30 am on Sat, Feb 27, 2010.

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    The Sea Turtle Rescue Center may applied for Grants thru Duke form Obamas stimulus package. If you look at your NC State QSP web site at grant and loans it shows a map of the Areas that are recieving some of this money. What we need to do as local fishermen ( my self) included is Get our hands on some of this there was one area that got over 2million dollars give me some of that money It will go to the families in this area who are rellay having a hard time feeding and paying thier bills

     
  • anonymous posted at 11:10 pm on Fri, Feb 26, 2010.

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    I completely understand that the restriciton or banning of gill nets will affect a large amount of people. Why not come up with a compromise? I believe it is as important to protect the biodiversity of the planet and creatures on this earth as it is to take care of human beings (since we are all interconnected). Just because I appreciate other creature's lives and want to protect them doesn't mean I don't care about the livelihood of other humans. But just because something has been used historically doesn't mean it should continue to be used. These gill nets are dangerous for many species of marine life. Other states on the Atlantic coast have made the restriciton or banning of gill nets work for their commercial fishermen. I'd like to see an article on how that switch was made. Maybe the gov't of NC can buy the gill nets from fishermen and they can use that money to buy new gear. I'd be really interested to see what other states did when they banned gill nets.I believe in the conservation of species, and I don't think that makes me a bad person. And for those that say that "they've seen more turtles than they can remember" and that the "populations have exploded" I'd like to know what data you're looking at. Populations of nesting femaies and nests in NC have steadily declined since data began to be collected. And not just in NC, all over the world populations are decining. Conservation of sea turtle species CAN work. Look at what has happened with the Kemps Ridley turtles- due to conservation in the US and Mexico (primary nesting and foraging areas) their population is recovering. Sea turtles are a INTERNATIONAL species. We ALL need to do our part to do what we can. The US does more than most countries, but we can do more. Preserving our planet for our children and for ourselves is a noble ideal. "We don't inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children."

     
  • anonymous posted at 8:29 am on Fri, Feb 26, 2010.

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    did not quote any thing ....just stated that he was a fisher of men and walked on water.. and I dont believe he asked all those who fish to leave their nets...I do believe he fed people with fishes wine and bread... but ...Linda is not doing Gods work when she and DUKE sue US she is doing Money MONEY MONEY ..Now what does she do for a living... I know she loves turtles... but just what is her job.. Is she paid to do all this turtle hugging? If so by who and by who how much... Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way... Maybe we should ask for money to place all the people who will be put out of work and become endangered. Maybe we should get funds for a EXTREAMLY large hospital for all the fishermen and women who will be sick, and in need of help... I say again... Linda go HUG a tree someplace...

     
  • anonymous posted at 3:06 am on Fri, Feb 26, 2010.

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    I would like to tell "against nets" who would not even use his name that I can guarantee that the fish I eat are fresh because the nets are not left out more than overnight. It Is about people and a way of life. Anyone who thinks that turtles are more important than people working to support their family should pray that all their income is not taken from them.

     
  • anonymous posted at 7:34 pm on Thu, Feb 25, 2010.

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    Have lived, worked commercially, fished recreation ally on the coast most of my life. Large mesh (5 1/2" and larger) Gill nets are one of the least intrusive and destructive means of commercial fishing. Unlike internal shrimp trawling for instance, or even inside of 3 miles, gill nets have almost no coincidental catch or kill of unwanted fish or wildlife, including extremely low turtle catches. Nets are not even remotely as bad as the barrage of building over-priced expensive homes on wetlands and marshes, that are constantly filled in right here at Topsail and up and down the coast.Many commercial fisherman make their entire living from gill nets, and do not partake in other forms of fishery. Many more count on it as a large portion of their fishing.Gill nets are NOT left out for days, and usually only for hours. Very little spoilage, and the fish are always fresher than from trawlers that are out for several days...to address an earlier comment from an il-informed person. A ban from May-Dec?? That is the gill net season.Want to ban everyone off the beaches?? That would protect and save 1000s more Turtles than banning gill nets! Coastal population and development is much more dangerous...would Karen like to sue the Towns and residents that have used and live at the beach. Again, by her reasoning, they have and are violating the ESA much more than any other operations.Misinformed and uneducated persons should not be allowed to file suits that they do not even understand any of the facts.Could go on for several pages of the things that could be done, and are much more important and impacting to such causes, but it is fruitless to do so unfortunately!

     
  • anonymous posted at 5:41 pm on Thu, Feb 25, 2010.

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    I'll bet you're all glad you helped her get that hospital up and running now. No good deed goes unpunished. So let's recap. Donations and grants built the hospital. Duke University is taking care of the lawsuit. They somehow worked it to put it before Judge Boyle and all you need to do is come to Hatteras in a month or so and you'll see his handy work. Then state funds will have to be used to defend this on DMF's end. All the while one group has put thousands of people out of work. Yes thousands. Think it through from the fishermen to the fishouse to the retail markets to the net supplies dealers to the boat dealers and the list goes on and on. What really confuses me is when you look at the list of paitents in this hospital. Doesn't look like gill nets are the number one threat to me. Humm. Who will be next on their list. I spent a ton of time on the water last summer and fall and can tell you without a doubt there are more turtles than I can ever remember seeing and no they weren't in gill nets.

     
  • anonymous posted at 3:28 pm on Thu, Feb 25, 2010.

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    Before you quote the bible, keep in mind that Jesus told the apostles to leave their nets for a new profession. Matthew 4:20-22 and Mark 1:16-20

     
  • anonymous posted at 11:29 am on Thu, Feb 25, 2010.

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    by the looks of the pic all needed now is a big pot plenty of taters n onions an you have yourself a fantastic meal " thats just what my Grannie would have said... but boy does tur"k"el stink when it is cooking.. God is there not a tree some place that needs to be hugged.. LINDA...Ah, phooie... let the fishermen fish... and I do believe Jeues was a Fisher of Men... and I do believe he did go out with fishermen...I might be wrong but walked on the waters with those men...

     
  • anonymous posted at 10:47 am on Thu, Feb 25, 2010.

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    Hmmm, I did not say that at all. I like them too. I just don't consider them more important than people.

     
  • anonymous posted at 7:58 am on Thu, Feb 25, 2010.

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    To all you who applaud the move that puts thousands of people out of a job i can only say you have no human compassion. I love turtles and if they were as rare as they "supposedly" are i support protecting them. However the population of turtles has exploded like rabbits in recent years.

     
  • anonymous posted at 6:14 am on Thu, Feb 25, 2010.

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    @ Mr Montgomery..are you saying Christians don't like sea turtles...???@ ClammerFossil...well put...

     
  • anonymous posted at 4:41 am on Thu, Feb 25, 2010.

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    Moderator, how dare you allow a comment about "taters n onions." Distasteful and ignorant. And Linda, I can guarantee you are not eating "fresh fish" out of a gill net. It most likely has been left out for days at a time, those fish are not fit to eat. Florida and Georgia have made this work, and they still have seafood. This is about sustainability, not a historic way of life...

     
  • anonymous posted at 3:43 am on Thu, Feb 25, 2010.

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    FEW INDIVIDUALS? Imagine that nearly half the commercial fishermen in NC depend on gill netting of some type to help them make a living. Sorry you feel that commercial fishermen are no better than mafia hitmen or gunslingers but you are wrong, ClammerFossil. You must be reading too much of that CCA literature and worse yet, actually believing that garbage.

     
  • anonymous posted at 10:55 pm on Wed, Feb 24, 2010.

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    by the looks of the pic all needed now is a big pot plenty of taters n onions an you have yourself a fantastic meal

     
  • anonymous posted at 4:15 pm on Wed, Feb 24, 2010.

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    Glen - leaning on religion now? Gonna say Jesus was a gill netter too? Did he use monofilament? Hydraulic net reels?I am sure the gun slingers and cowboys of the west felt this way when the land was developed, broken up into ranches and farm and the law moved out with them.I bet the mafia hit men felt the same way when their capos are arrested. I am sure the buffalo hunters felt the same way when they couldn't find any more buffalo to shoot.Bless Jean Beasley and her mission to protect sea turtles and other marine life - if you call yourself a christian, you should be thankful for those who want to preserve god's creation...not exploit it for the minimal financial gain of just a few individuals.

     
  • anonymous posted at 8:58 am on Wed, Feb 24, 2010.

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    Wonder how some people can look in the mirror after putting a turtle's welfare ahead of familys that will suffer needlessly if this action does indeed stop all gill netting in NC waters. They obviously did not grow up with the values that I was taught while growing up in a christian home. Must be a sign of the times as the good book says;"Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever."

     
  • anonymous posted at 8:57 am on Wed, Feb 24, 2010.

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    The occupation of "commercial fisherman" is very important to costal North Carolina. They supply fresh seafood to restaurants and in turn, make a living to support their family. According to the Department of Marine Fisheries, the last survey of sea turtles was 25 years ago. Can we still call them an endangered species? Before they take away the right to catch fish , maybe a new survey should be taken. We all eat fish and we all need to make a living.