Atlantic, N.C.

Sept. 13, 2019

TO THE EDITOR:

The Democrat debate, along with historical records reflect the following reasons Democrats are pushing registration, confiscation, and banning modern sporting arms, magazines and other like measures:

First, the socialist state the Democrats want to create. A true socialist state cannot tolerate its subjects owning arms. This is counter to population control, and risks that subjects could someday revolt when socialism fails, as it always does.

Second, the impending financial crash and depression. Economists are correctly stating that the national debt, interest rate going below zero, the Federal Reserves practices and the government created bubbles ensure that a crash is imminent. This results in the population panic, and acceptance of socialist intervention and control. Socialism cannot abide subjects with arms.

Third, control of the population through imposition of the police state. During the debate, many candidates were clear that forced confiscation is their goal. This will be done at gunpoint, as many will not comply. Several candidates voiced the intent to circumvent the legislative process by use of the executive order. Liberals have no honor of the Constitution, nor of due process of law. This is historically true, and presently with the proposed Red Flag laws. So called assault weapons are just the beginning of the trend to banning guns.

Fourth, elimination of choice. The Founding Fathers lived through tyranny, and a monarch. They knew that freedom was fragile and perishable. Thus, their intent was a citizenry capable of defending their freedoms from a tyrant. This is difficult with primitive arms, even more so with no arms. Seeking to remove modern arms from subjects enables and places us at a disadvantage, total disarming eliminates choice. The government has demonstrated time and again, as has world history, that governments are the biggest perpetrator of death and genocide. Elimination of choice is a must for the looming socialist state being imposed on us.

The socialists tell us that to be secure, we have to give up more of our freedoms. We must set public law based on the worst of society. We cannot be trusted with arms, to make proper choices, and must conform. The good of the state takes precedence over the rights of the individual. We see this everyday.

The socialists demonize the NRA as a terrorist organization. The NRA is simply citizens who do not want to be controlled by government regulation of arms, who value freedom, and the Constitution. The socialists cannot understand that, or won’t, and sell their propaganda to the naive public.

The socialists have spared no effort to attack our sitting president. In effect, we have seen an ongoing coup attempting to unseat a duly elected president. We have also seen attacks on the Supreme Court judiciary and attacks on conservative legislators. This will continue in the future.

If we fail to protect and cherish our rights, we will lose them. Security does not come from losing our freedoms, violation of our Constitution, circumvention of the legislative process, or ignoring the function of the triad of government. We are at a crossroads. Either we reject the call for socialism, for destruction of our rights, or we lay down our freedoms. Each will have to decide.

WILLIAM RUDDER

(39) comments

David Collins

Sadly , a large segment of our nation’s population has no memories to draw upon of what other socialist, despotic societies are really like . Been babied , coddled and molded into mini socialists all their lives , with more on the way every day . We as a country have allowed this transformation to occur . The wake up call is usually a knock on the door in the dead of night .


NC-Native-Son

The NRA keeps giving weapons to mentally ill people and crooks.







I we firearm owners are not part of the discussion, then we will lose more than we should.


DeadBolt

This is the second time you have made this claim, now please show us when and where the NRA gave anything to anyone, crickets have been chirping. [whistling]


DeadBolt

Never happen there slick. [yawn]


dc

The NRA was started by Union upper echelon to improve poor marksmanship. At what point did they begin guns away? Bet it was Santa that gave those BB guns to us way back when. Got first and only one in about 1954 and pretty sure it didn't come from NRA.


D Snow

Spot-on analysis, imo. Should be a wake-up call to the mis-informed, but we already know this will fall on deaf, covered ears.


gw

Your paranoid rant used the word "socialist" eleven times. I will tell you what else is "socialist". Schools, police, public roads, fire departments, the military, etc, etc. You will give up your AK machine gun over our cold, dead children.


David Collins

Machine gun ? Ha, Ha Ha. Another clueless one. Silly, silly, silliness prevails.


00rolf

I have read several delusional conspiracy theorists and their rantings, and Mr. William Rudder has made it to the top five of “Most delusional ever”. I thought that I had heard it all, but no…







It is a ranting without any substance;



“Second, the impending financial crash and depression. Economists are correctly stating that the national debt, interest rate going below zero, the Federal Reserves practices and the government created bubbles ensure that a crash is imminent. This results in the population panic, and acceptance of socialist intervention and control. Socialism cannot abide subjects with arms.”



What???







“Fourth…The government has demonstrated time and again, as has world history, that governments are the biggest perpetrator of death and genocide.”



The government you are referring to has to be the US government, there are no other possible explanations unless you cannot write proper English. You are correct, but not as you seem to claim. The US government has perpetrated death and genocide to the natives which lived in this country. We, the white Europeans in our greed of land, slaughtered most of them. Good for us, white Christians…







Mr. William Rudder, if you are such a supporter of the founding fathers and their Constitution as you claim to be; Are you OK with the United States of America going back to the Constitution as of 1850?



I am, although President Jefferson wrote that the Constitution should be rewritten every 19 years. He was smart enough to know that the world is evolving...











I will bet my salary for the next decade that you don’t want to go back to the Constitution as of 1850.


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NC-Native-Son

I intend to hang onto my firearms. I plan to be at the table when we decide who can own what.


DeadBolt

Oh, really??????? Did the NRA give you an assault weapon? Which NRA rally did you attend? .... Its no wonder the party of slavery is crumbling into oblivion. You have made several claims about an organization that you refuse to provide any evidence, not 1 shred! Now, here , under GOD, you are claiming you have a right to own a firearm???????????? Much less bring it to a table , as if anyone would invite a dirty democrat? Your party is finished, your beloved communist's have seen to that, and , i suspect, America's Gun is a bit BIGGER then yours. Keep dreaming there .... [wink]


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NC-Native-Son

I have been around for a while and everyone I have a lot of friends who own firearms. None of my friends have ever had a problem with how we choose to use our firearms. My only problem is that the NRA is defeating their own purpose and thus endangering my rights.


David Collins

Son, ok, i’ll Ask. Just how is the NRA defeating it’s own purpose? In your point of view.


00rolf

DeadBolt. Finally you may have realized that God does not give us a right to own (or wear) a gun. But, you are dead wrong about the NRA. They have on multiple occasions stated that owning a gun is a god given right.



"There is no greater personal individual freedom than the right to keep and bear arms, the right to protect yourself, and the right to survive.” Wayne LaPierre, NRA



"It's not bestowed by man, but granted by God to all Americans as our American birthright. So I call right now today on every citizen who loves this country and who treasures this freedom to stand and unflinchingly defend the Second Amendment, the one freedom that protects us all." Wayne LaPierre, NRA


DeadBolt

Um, i asked for a liberal ... to please share with me where and when the NRA was giving out guns, not for some 'comment' about anything else, regardless of your belief. Now, i'd like an answer. (ps....... i don't care what the person you quoted said, thats their right to speak, however, someone else has alleged that this organization is giving out guns, so, if the best you can do is confuse the conversation, start another topic, on maybe 'quote's'. )


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David Collins

Pretty sure that “God” gives us this and that is not a literal statement. Seems like a quite silly issue issue seeing that one can not prove that the other is correct or incorrect . Doubt that anyone’s “God” is able to attest to any of this nonsense.


DeadBolt

I think i asked 'whom; is selling or giving guns to people deemed illegal...........I DON'T WANT ANY BANTER ABOUT COMMENTS, AND QUOTES! The mere fact that some people are claiming this is ignorance if they cannot produce names places, people, so that LAW ENFORCEMENT can intercede. Withholding this information, that was stated as fact is a CRIME. LEGAL CITIZENS CAN BEAR ARMS, THROUGH THEIR STATE LAWS! ( your belief in GOD is a personal issue, be it accepted or not) Son. if you are withholding events describing the behavior of any organization that is ILLEGALLY selling/ handing out/ giving , etc, etc, etc any weapons to individuals answer up. You too 00. Stop the bs about Beliefs , and report them here and now, or admit you are clueless. I hope LAW ENFORCEMENT IS READING YOUR COMMENTS, at the least locally, so they can question you , either one of you , and stop these CRIMES!


00rolf

I have not claimed any of your rantings; still you want me to answer?



I answered one question you posted with 12 question marks! The NRA actually claims that it is a God given right to own firearms.



BTW.



It is not illegal to give away guns. The various states have some limitations on who you can give them to, but in general it is not illegal. You should really make an effort on learning the Laws of the land, but as you have shown many times before; that is too much to expect from the uneducated.


DeadBolt

The NRA, an organization was in question, stop diverting the comment . So, once again, when did they commit the CRIME alleged? ps. here's for your effort, oddly from the group in question, actually saying that gifting is not a good idea, [ https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2016/4/buying-and-selling-a-firearm-giving-someone-a-gun/ ] And, i still want to know where all this was done by the NRA?


David Collins

Good luck with that, DeadBolt. You will get nothing from them but the sound of flapping lips followed by cowering silence. Just like the alphabet networks blathering on and on about Trumps impeachable acts, followed by no proof, followed by silence. It is how they roll and why anyone with, the sense “God” gave a green apple, chooses to ignore them.


00rolf

“You will get nothing from them but…”



You cannot have read any of my comments in this thread, ...



Where have I stated anything that I have been questioned about?


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chainsaw

hey dead bolt cruz 309 thousand, mcsally 228 thousand , scalise 133 thousand, nunes 95 thousand, blackburn 85 thousand, heller 77 thousand, james 75 thousand, ryan 65 thousand, rickey tickey tock, 62 thousand, hawley60 thousand Thats what the



NRA has given away for Free! Put that in your pipe and smoke it! All "R"s


DeadBolt

Hey chainsaw........ who cares but maybe you? I asked when and where, and to whom the NRA is ILLEGALLY giving out guns ? (not whatever you posted)







Here's one for ya. PLANNED PARENTHOOD......... 325,000 MURDER'S OF BABIES PER YEAR IN AMERICA........... Maybe they need an intervention. (quite possibly we may need to remove them from the country, permanently ? ) Oh, btw, they used chopping saws, and surgical tools, so, lets blather on about laws on ABORTION DOCTORS, AND THEIR TOOLS! (especially that sicko they found with dead buried baby bodies in his yard). NOW , I'LL GET BACK TO ASKING WHOM THE NRA IS GIVING GUNS TO. Thanks. [offtopic]


dc

Any mention of Fast & Furious from any lefties lately?


dc

Like to still have that BB gun from the Christmas of '54. Beto would probably give a pretty penny in his buy-back.


DeadBolt

This is an example of FACT, under the d's ........ [ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/7/eric-holder-slammed-fast-and-furious-obstruction/ ] ! Possibly someone can explain to me if the NRA was involved in this fiasco????????? Good Luck........... SNOWFLAKES.


David Collins

Looks like your talking about money, chainsaw. To be sure your not talking about firearms. Is giving away money for campaign expenses , while not illegal , ever really free ? Plenty of organizations fund the candidates of their choice. Even labor unions have been known to do this. Haven’t they ? So, just what is the big deal with the stuffing of a pipe and smoking of it ? Way to much drama here and drama without the attending music is bad drama .


David Collins

The reasons for gun banning proposals are just a way to get votes while hiding the fact that other than this issue, they have nothing else to offer. Of course , Congress would have to act on any such proposals so fat chance for that to happen . Not one of the candidates has even cracked open the door to national and foreign policy , defense and economics . At this rate, non of them are going to be elected to anything. Can you even imagine what their staff and advisors would look like ? Being president is hard enough for a thick skinned, take charge person with a working knowledge of the ways of the world . This bunch is totally inept in oh so many ways , probably because they really believe that “anybody” can be president.







On another note. Has anyone noticed that the slew of big mouth trump haters are surprisingly silent now that the heat is on Biden for his roll in the financial shenanigans with Ukraine . Perhaps they too have a skeleton or two that needs to be kept under wraps . Maxine Waters ,the Squad , Sharpton, et all are quiet as the grave .


dc

Could also be they'd like to see someone more to the left than him. Out of the park left. Way out of the park as if they aren't there already.


CARTERETISCORRUPT

Rolf: The article is quite correct, mostly grammatically correct, and the writing is sufficient for the task at hand.







Factually, the article is correct. Genocide perpetration historically was not the topic, and surely a large and separate matter to discuss. However, world wide, genocide by government, was done not by the U.S. It is ongoing around the world, and furthered by a disarmed population; which is the topic of the article. Disarmed subjects are easy to kill, this we have seen in the recent shootings. Whether a disarmed public by law, or force, the result is the same. Recently, in a Law and Order episode, the character Jack McCoy stated: "Man has only the rights he can defend". That sums it all up rather nicely.


00rolf

First of all, I have not said, in any way or words, that this article/letter or any part of this article/letter is not grammatically correct. I have said, without a doubt, that this article/letter is rantings of a conspiracy theorist, and I stand by that.







By the way, your historical facts are “fake news”.



There is not one, and I repeat not one, genocide by a government other than of USA/Europe, which has happened the last 1000 years. OK, Rwanda is one of a very few exceptions so my previous sentence was wrong, but you get the idea? We, the Christians, have killed more people than any other religion, in the name of our God.







We are not especially literate; Thou shall not kill. After all, killing by death sentence is ok, for Christians.







By the way again:



How many governments, in the history of the world, have been overthrown because those living there were not armed?


00rolf

First of all, I have not said, in any way or words, that this article/letter or any part of this article/letter is not grammatically correct. I have said, without a doubt, that this article/letter is rantings of a conspiracy theorist, and I stand by that.







By the way, your historical facts are “fake news”.



There is not one, and I repeat not one, genocide by a government other than of USA/Europe, which has happened the last 1000 years. OK, Rwanda is one of a very few exceptions so my previous sentence was wrong, but you get the idea? We, the Christians, have killed more people than any other religion, in the name of our God.







We are not especially literate; Thou shall not kill. After all, killing by death sentence is ok, for Christians.







By the way again:



How many governments, in the history of the world, have not been overthrown because those living there were not armed?


JusticeForAll

It is a little more complicated than the "facts" posted. Just regurgitating the basics does not clarify, nor give insight to the problems faced with a socialist government. There are so many credible articles and interviews with those who have lived it. Reference those.


00rolf

Name one, just one, socialist government that has banned guns.







Republican "Christians" in this country are claiming that having guns, which main purpose is to kill our fellow human beings, is a right bestowed upon us by God. Do tell us: Where did Jesus Christ tell us to kill our fellow human beings?


David Collins

Here we go again, OO . Endless trick questions and Zero solutions . Like, who cares !


dc

One site says 3 countries' constitutions provide the right to bears arms. Switzerland has a very high rate of gun ownership & evidently little or no mass shootings but evidently it's not included among the 3. What if anything gives gun ownership rights to citizens of countries that doesn't provide for it in their constitutions? What are the penalties, if any, if their constitutions don't provide it but it is not specifically banned?


CARTERETISCORRUPT

rolf: Sadly, I see a severely deficient knowledge of history in your replies. It is not my intent, nor within the limitations here to impart a history lesson. Second, the truth would be contested, should it not parallel your particular inclinations. Suffice it to say, we are in serious trouble. For without knowledge of the past, we are certainly doomed to repeat.


CARTERETISCORRUPT

We only have those Rights that we can defend. We cannot defend by words alone. Nor should we tolerate those who would obstruct our ability to defend. Thus, I for one have no tolerance for those who babble about taking our freedoms. We have tolerated such dribble for far too long.


DeadBolt

[ https://ourworldindata.org/genocides ] Here are a few , and i do not see the US anywhere in them? Perhaps you can post some of these you are referring to in links? [yawn]


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