With millions of Americans bewailing recent mass murder events — saying they happened because America has removed God from public life and public schools — the Democratic National Committee has validated and solidly aligned itself with that judgment.

At its summer convention in San Francisco a week ago yesterday, the DNC unanimously passed a resolution praising the ideals and principles of “religiously unaffiliated” Americans as the “largest religious group within the Democratic Party.”

The Secular Coalition of America, an organization that lobbies on public policy on behalf of atheists, agnostics and humanists celebrated the resolution as the first time a major political party has “embraced American nonbelievers.”

Sarah Levin, director of government affairs for the Secular Coalition, praised the resolution as a way “to ensure policy is driven by science and evidence, not sectarian beliefs.”

The resolution says: “… the religiously unaffiliated demographic has tripled in the last two decades, now representing 25% of the overall American population and 35% of those under the age of 30; and

“… religiously unaffiliated Americans overwhelmingly share the Democratic Party’s values, with 70% voting for Democrats in 2018, 80% supporting same-sex marriage, and 61% saying immigrants make American society stronger; and

“… the religiously unaffiliated demographic represents the largest religious group within the Democratic Party, growing from 19% in 2007 to one in three today

“… the Democratic Party is an inclusive organization that recognizes that morals, values, and patriotism are not unique to any particular religion, and are not necessarily reliant on having a religious worldview at all; and

“… nonreligious Americans made up 17% of the electorate in 2018 and have the potential to deliver millions more votes for Democrats in 2020 with targeted outreach to further increase turnout of nonreligious voters; and a record number of openly nonreligious candidates are running for public office …” so those sharing the Democratic Party’s values should advocate for “rational public policy based on sound science and universal humanistic values.”

The resolution criticizes those “with misplaced claims of ‘religious liberty,’ to justify public policy that has threatened the civil rights and liberties of many Americans.”

The American Conservative said Michael Wear, a young Evangelical Democrat who did religious outreach for the Obama White House, wrote:

“These people actually approved a resolution with the claims: ‘the religiously unaffiliated demographic represents the largest religious group within the Democratic Party.’ Because Protestants are all divided with their denominations, but the religiously unaffiliated are coherent.

“… I just want to be clear. This is both politically stupid, but also just stupid on a fundamental level that transcends electoral politics.”

The DNC’s message to those who believe in God evokes The New York Times headline of Jan. 9, 1966, “God is dead,” and the April 8, 1966, Time magazine cover in red letters on a black background asking (and replying) “Is God dead?”

To the DNC, Christians are dead.

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DeadBolt

We have known this for quite awhile.


DeadBolt

The Freestones [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPDLM3_YhYc ] Socialist Slogan! Enjoy.............[beam]


BobsYerUncle

'Religiously unaffiliated' does not mean 'atheist.' In any case, God is hardly nullified. How can he be, when he is Chairman of the Republican Party?


JohnnyR

Which God should we believe? The Jewish God of the old testament that doesn't buy into Christianity and believes Christians are breaking the 10 commandments, (i.e. the Roman torture device of the cross is a graven image)? Scientology which follows L. Ron Hubbard belief (scam) that an Alien populated the earth with thetans, and with a really large fee, they are happy to "Clear" humans after many expensive sessions? Maybe any of the many Gods still believed in throughout Asia? But I'm gonna guess you think the only God worth following is the one you were raised on, the Baptist version of Christianity?


dc

Or you could subscribe to the Madalyn O'Hair version of the religion of Atheist.


JohnnyR

or the religion of Trump.


dc

Will take him over Madalyn 1000%. Thanks for suggestng.


JohnnyR

I understand, nobody demonstrates Christian morals and values better than Trump.


dc

No, you don't understand. He only demonstrates them 1,000 times better than her.


JohnnyR

I didn't realize Madalyn was into porn stars too, guess I didn't understand.


dc

They both have seemed to like mixed family situations but I'd still vote for his over her. He obvious could afford to support his. Don't know about her younger days but if later photos of her are any indication she'd had a tough time making it as a star. Porn, maybe yes but star nah. Maybe a starring wannabe lawyer but couldn't cut it. Balto was a good place for activist career. Probably tough place back then and gone down hill ever since like all D-run big cities, but an ideal place to ply her trade. Tried the Soviet scene but must have run into a dead end trying her Atheistic social worker skills there. What a letdown for an Atheist to fail in an Atheist country. Too bad she and Oswald couldn't have cut the mustard and stayed there instead of wreaking havoc here. Her life was somewhat of a disaster especially in the end. Sadly her disastrous life has had a similar affect on our social order and institutions. As a woman and mother her biggest problem would seem to be her disowning her son after he was able to beat away from her Atheistic brainwashing and captivity. Hopefully, your mom didn't do the same after you announced your conversion. And, that would be or at least should be 1000% difference when it comes to "motherly love". Fathers are important certainly but since you folks like to give those "life or death" rights out like candy then man doesn't a Christian mother make a 1000% difference?


dc

Actually she evidently tried to enter the communist country but they rejected her. What a bummer for her and us. Seems her thirst for acceptance was to take up and have a baby with a married man and change her last name to his for reasons one could guess why I guess. Then, on to another boyfriend for another baby but giving him her adopted last name from the married man.


JohnnyR

You're really into Madalyn O'Hair, but what has she got to do with the existence of Gods? Would you like me to go out and list all the depravities of Mr. Trump, will that prove my point there is no God? You are the king of diversions my friend!


dc

Didn't your favorite porn star have to pay his legal bill or was it a diversion?


dc

Actually there is nothing to compare her to your diversion to Trump or anyone or anything else. She was a real loser all her life and sadly took her offspring and everybody and everything else she could with her. Fortunately one of her offspring saw the light and took an opposite path to her craziness. Sadly she kicked him (who probably was the best thing that ever happened to her) out of her life. If that's a diversion then so be it.


JohnnyR

Wow, you're really not a fan of Madalyn, are you? Not sure why you keep bringing her up though, you act like she represents all atheists or something.







Here's a little quote to think about...







“What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.” ― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything


Benelli

Only the Chosen One, king of the tweet, Donald Jesus Trump can save us from those immoral libruls


dc

He was self-described once upon a time bisexual, heavy drinker and smoker, and intellectual to some. Guess the heavy drinking and smoking goes with deep thinking for some. Can't imagine how the other trait fits in. A wiser choice to quote might be a Pascal who probably contributed much more to society. He was critical of religion but was a believer. Think he even criticized atheism which of course is also a religion since religion is nothing more than a belief system.


JohnnyR

Repeating something over and over does not really make it true ya know. Atheism is 'A'theism where the 'A' means "not" a theist, such as Asymmetrical means not symmetrical. How do you have faith in something you don't believe? All I need is a little evidence to make me a believer, not just a book written by bronze age goat herders that has many flaws and been interpreted countless times. Not sure why you keep repeating atheism is a religion? Don't think I've ever heard of someone purposely not praying to a fantasy father-figure, would that be called an aprayer?


DeadBolt

Well, benelli, it won't be one of those commies posing as American's! TRUMP FOR 2020! (hey, maybe this election when Trump wins, you lefties can claim it was China, you know, instead of RUSSIA? That's more plausible! ) hahahahahahaha [scared]


JohnnyR

I'm not sure Trump is going to run in 2020, I believe he's thinking about joining the weather channel. He'll be editing all maps with his trusty sharpie to give more accurate weather predictions!


dc

Go look in the mirror. Do believe that is you? Might want to read a little more about the briefing he got.


chainsaw

who did he get the briefing from dc, the dnc, liz warren, maybe corey booker or possibly some lunatic global warming fool. Enlighten us moorons dc!


dc

"Coast Guard rear admiral defends Trump from storm of backlash after Alabama forecast" by Daniel Chaitin. Of course if the morons that have had TDS from day one will still play their moronic roles.


00rolf

I have met and spoken with several republicans. What baffles me is that I have never met a republican who is a Christian. They all claim to be, but none are. I think that somewhere out there one (or more) republicans are a Christian. Statistics say yes, experience says no.







By the way:



A lack of belief is not a religion. A lack of belief is not a belief system. What is next? Some lunatic claiming that black is a color?


JohnnyR

I thought he got his weather briefings from someone named Stormy?


David Collins

Seems funny that when CNN suggested the very same possibility’s for a landfall no one thought it was news worthy. The Weather Chanel folks certainly were uncertain as to where and when it would go and entertained many possibilities. So what makes Trump holding a best guess chart so funny? All possibilities must be considered to have aid prepositioned effectively. Fortunately the storm took the path it took. Geeze, get a life already oh perfect ones.


chainsaw

Hey dc understand fema, red cross and salvation army are setting up shop in alabama to deal with hurricane dorian. Think your "Dear Leader" will make an appearance?


dc

"Weather agency now backs Trump, says Dorian could have impacted Alabama" by Melissa Leon.


dc

"'SharpieGate' shows press will stress any 'petty' controversy to hurt Trump" by Jason Riley.







And, the TDS crowd will follow their lead.


JohnnyR

"Man get his news only from ultra-conservative sources, stays completely shielded from reality" by JohnnyR.


JusticeForAll

If twiddle dee and twiddle dum had a baby, one guess who the offspring is. Well, maybe they had triplets.


DeadBolt

I suspect we all need to consider the fact that Russia had a role in the path of this storm! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa Now, lets spend 40 million more tax dollars tying them to this theory! [wink]


David Collins

Religion is just a method to bring about order in various societies throughout history. An all powerful father figure that can not be proven or disproven. Believe what you wish and get on with your lives.


dc

Know many Rs & Ds. Nothing baffling about them. Seems Ds proving more & more exactly what they have been along to get a vote.


dc

And for the vote they promise all kinds of free stuff and socialism.


dc

Atheism is a belief system the same as atheists would claim theism is a belief system. To claim otherwise is nonsense. One chart of religious beliefs shows all beliefs adding up to 100%. It shows Christianity is 33% with atheists and its associates 16%. So, the fact that you believe that you don't believe in God in the biblical or any other sense is still a belief hence a belief system. Obviously traditional and "old school" thinking needs updating.


dc

"Religion is just a method to bring about order in various societies throughout history." Exactly! The Soviet Union particularly under Stalin and China under Mao practiced atheism didn't they? It seems that in modern times anyway Christianity with all its flaws might be a better religion to live under than atheism. Living under Islamism also doesn't look to be a load of fun.


JohnnyR

So not believing in Santa is a belief system as well? The argument that not believing something is a belief system is silly.







Please give me a reason why not believing in the Easter Bunny and a god are different? How is one not a belief system but the other is?


dc

Man created Santa and Easter Bunny. Man did not create the universe. ...


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dc

Man did not create the Creator (a.k.a. God). The Creator created man. ...


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dc

The Creator (a.k.a. God) to create the universe must be all-knowing and all-powerful whereas Santa, the Easter Bunny and no man or woman not even geniuses are to my knowledge.


JohnnyR

“What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.” ― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything


dc

He should have written about how his bad habits poisons everything. He was certainly far from great and you probably could find somebody who contributed more to society than him to quote about who and what is and is not great and/or poisonous. There are certainly some religions that are not great and in fact are poisonous and among them is Atheism.


dc

The fact that I exist on this grand island of life in a vast universe is all the evidence I need. Dismissing it is proof some are blinded by their refusal to open their eyes and their minds. It could be that those among us like Madalyn & Hitch that have come and gone and others still here had/have a subconcious need suppressed by their rhetoric and known only to them to deny the existence of a Creator.


JohnnyR

Denouncing the messenger rather than acknowledging the message is a sure sign you're losing an argument, Hitchens is world renowned for his writings and philosophy. You are free to believe what you want, but your god/creator has no more evidence than any of the other thousand of gods that came before yours. No more even than the Easter Bunny. Believing you have a "personal relationship" with invisible beings based on what was drilled in your head as a child is a sign of naivety and/or immaturity.


dc

So, you believe when that asteroid/meteor crashed into the Gulf of Mexico that was how planet Earth won the lottery and since the beginning of time lottery after lottery including that one explains everything? Who/what is behind all the lotteries? Yes, academia loves a Hitch. Gives them plenty of talking points to keep their lotteries well financed. His genius at blowing smoke rings floating and drifting through space and time like clouds of wonder containing post modern ideological rehashed BS that most already knew or should have known with breaks in between puffs and blows to take another drink, collect soused thoughts, and espouse more genius BS. Academia eats it up since they all get their bread and ego trips from like-minded geniuses writing and hearing themselves talk a lot of the same BS. Guess his brother isn't the genius he was probably because he didn't know to how to blow smoke. Madalyn just couldn't stand the idea that her kid was participating in a school devotional teaching anything relating to a doctrine that might run afoul of her newfound freedom from a strict raising like using a married man's sperm and other strict taboos of the era. Not unreasonable to think she chastised/brainwashed her sons about the consequences if they dared participate. This was just her show of motherly love. The norms of the day were so degrading to her loving care that she evidently decided to pack up and head for the greener pastures of communist atheism. For some reason she and her baggage were rejected so back to her drawing board of mischief against the world of potential normalcy for her boys. A stab at becoming her own lawyer to challenge anything that reminded her of her strict upbringing fell short but the rest is history. So, we go from a culture not totally opposed to her strict upbringing to a culture loose and teetering on collapse. We should be cheering her success of attaining according to her at the time the "most hated woman in America" to now the "Mother of American Atheism". Yes, leftists courts and the rest of her ilk should be proud. Guess her son that broke from her atheist captivity just didn't understand how much she loved him. So, being the loving mother she was she gave him the freedom she sought in her youth by just disowning him. Wonder how many mothers out there are like her? Mine sure wasn't.


JohnnyR

So you just wrote a paragraph bashing two people but still no acknowledgement on the lack of evidence of your god? Not much of an argument my friend. So this "creator" invented the universe with billions of galaxies all for the purpose of having "personal relationships" with an advanced species of primates here on Earth? You do have a personal relationship with your god, right? I know they drill this concept into kids every Sunday morning.


dc

You obviously have forgotten my posts from our bantering over what years now on this topic? Your assumptions are way off base. I'll answer your question after you answer mine. Your mom probably won't mind because from what you've posted she is opposite a Madalyn.


DeadBolt

Here are many thoughts from various sources. [ https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=prageru+does+god+exist ] If your default is simply Hitchens, one need only copy and paste the link. Besides that, here in America, we all have our rights to use either belief, its just recently that the lunatic left has ran amuck and tried to trample our entire society, no matter what the topic, so, aside from Belief System, please tell me ONE THING THE DemocRATS have accomplished in 2.5 years? Crickets chirping. ps. love the spirited debate, be surprised if i get an answer, other then the FACTS I KNOW, which is they TEAR DOWN EVERYTHING OUR SOCIETY WAS BUILT ON.


JohnnyR

How are my assumptions off base? I ask for proof of a god, you reply by talking how horrible a person Madalyn O'Hair was as if that is proof? Jimmy Swaggert was a horrible person, (among many other religious leaders), so therefore no god? I wouldn't claim that as an argument because it's nonsense. But I'll play your game, you just need to spell out your question clearly. Here is mine.... Do you have a personal relationship with a god?


chainsaw

JohnnyR 14 dc zip, zero, ziltch!


David Collins

UNCLE, I say UNCLE . dc can not convince JohnyR and JohnyR can not convince dc and the other believers. Religion is about choice and faith. A choice to believe in something that can not be proven, like a golden ram or whatever idol you wish for. This back and forth is a total waste of time. The major religions use the faithful to run whole countries. Now and in the past. Man’s innate fear of the unknown is a powerful tool and has led to the greatest atrocities known throughout history as well as the present time. The Catholic Church is one of the greatest offenders followed by the Muslims. So what is the point of all this back and forth? We all just might be a tiny speck of matter in a giant Petrie Dish we call our universe, for all that would be worth. Can any of this be proven or disproven? Heck no! So enough already. Concentrate on things that really matter in the here and now. Build the wall, Trump 2020, vote Republican and build up our defenses to counter Russia and China as well as all threats from within our borders. That should be a gracious plenty enough to keep everyone quite busy. Leave theology to the theologians.


dc

Even some astronauts believe in the Creator (a.k.a. God). Think they know a little something about the makings and workings of the heavens? Ever been on a ship in the middle of the ocean with no light pollution and star gazed for long periods? Think that might be a similar effect that some astronauts and many others even land bound experience?


dc

David, you should know from history that atheists don't agree to truces unless it's to their favor.


dc

I didn't know Jimmy was an atheist. Prove it. But I wouldn't send him any money. He did repent though didn't he? Never heard Madalyn did though. Would you send her money if she was alive to further the cause?


dc

Not sure one can titally leave theology to the theologians. Are some of them atheists? Believe there's even a term "Christian atheist". Told you Atheism is a religion and a belief system. There are writings about Atheism becoming the "New Religion" especially among certain young folks. Keep telling JR but he just won't accept it. Atheists just won't listen. They remind me of leftists.


dc

Oh, JR you must have forgotten our long ago bantering when I talked about terminology in the Preamble, Constitution, country founded on Christian values, Founding Fathers beliefs, etc. Don't know if my "personal" relationship with God has changed if in fact I have one. Remember you assured me I was a Christian though I have never claimed to be but I'll accept your assurances. Though as I explained way back then I'm not a traditionalist in the sense of a specific denomination and churchgoing but I support Christianity over all other faiths and my faith in the benefit of prayer especially for the gravely ill has increased substantially. That's about it. Now, who had you'd rather have as a mother?


dc

"DNC Annuls God" to their detriment. Word just in Murphy and Bishop won.


JohnnyR

I'm all for a truce, keep religion out of my life, (i.e. public schools, government, etc.) and I'm all for you worshipping whatever you want at your home and church. But it seems religious folks can't seem to do that, they have this need to force their beliefs on everyone else.



I believe dc, your question is who I'd rather have for a Mother? My own mother of course, what other answer could I give?



Now please answer my question, (I only want Yes or No)... Do you have a personal relationship with a god? But I'm going to guess I will not get a yes or no answer.


dc

I have never met God in person any more than I have met many famous people in person or any more than you have met Atheism or the Mother of American Atheism in person. That does not mean they do not exist of course unless they're dead. Everywhere I look especially in nature I see evidence of a Creator. Terms like the "Nature of God" and "God of Nature" are very real to me. So, make fun of my explanation and your Mother's religion and beliefs all you want. It makes you no smarter and it makes you smaller. Some things including your Creator will never die as we in the flesh will. So, all you atheists can believe in no Creator. The Creator will still be here and you all will be gone.




dc

BTW it pleases me to know you would rather have your own mother for a mother over the Mother of American Atheism.




DeadBolt

Please, for the love of whatever list in order the organizations that are 'shoving' anything down your throat, ????????????????????















This is akin to cable tv, hey, i don't like one of the channels..... SO LETS THROW OUT ALL THE TELEVISIONS. As i mentioned earlier, i doubt any religious organization, given your obvious hatred for them, even comes close to you? But. i'm all ears, please list them.




DeadBolt

Oh, and after listing these nefarious organizations, that harass you to no end, Please , PROVE TO ALL OF US THAT THERE IS NO GOD! You must, just as you ask for proof of his being.




JohnnyR

Yeah, didn't think I'd get a straight answer to my question. So you believe in a "nature god" with no evidence because "something" had to design the universe, right? You have no other answer, so God? Well, that's called "God of the Gaps", such as Neptune handled the tides till we knew better. You don't know how something works, so make up a god till we learn better? Since you really don't know what started it all, why not just say "I don't know" rather than making up stuff?



To the other poster nosing in our conversation, please don't tell me that religion doesn't try to force it's beliefs on others. Keep your ten commandments out of our courthouses and your "intelligent design" theories out of our schools and I'm cool with your religion. I don't want any part of it, ok? This includes all religions, not just your Christianity. Terrifying children with threats of eternal torture is nothing but child abuse, purely for indoctrination to a cult. And your religion is nothing but a cult designed to control the masses based on nothing but fairy tales.



I also don't have to proof the non-existence of anything, the religious is making the claims of gods, it's up to them to prove that claim. Once again, anything that is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Try to think about that a little rather than letting your indoctrination think for you. But you've been told thinking about your beliefs is a sin, right? Just blindly believe or off to eternal torture you go, right?


dc

Revised score for chainsaw and that cheering section: JR = 0; DC = 0; Creator = infinity.


dc

I'll take Jefferson, et al words for it in the Declaration of Independence. I will always believe and cherish my Creator/God given rights come from that source and NOT some atheistic source like communist doctrine.


dc

"Try to think about that a little rather than letting your indoctrination think for you. But you've been told thinking about your beliefs is a sin, right? Just blindly believe or off to eternal tortune you go, right?" LOL! You're about as close as the next galaxy in my case. Wow, where did you go to church? Think I can guess some of where you may get this. My parents or no one else forced or indoctrinated me into such foolishness. Maybe I got lucky. Actually, I never have been into "religion" but have learned more about details of our history, what, why, how the founders' were thinking, their founding documents, the greatness of my home country in comparison to others, the true meaning of my existence on this wonderful Earth, etc. And, it all came together bantering with an atheist which is kind of surreal. BTW my mother and my wife said her grandmother thought the same about that "eternal torture", i.e., that your "h@ll" was here on Earth.


dc

Justice Stewart "knew it when he saw it". He contended that the Establishment Clause was originally written to abolish the idea of a state-sponsored church; and not to stop a non-mandatory "brief non-denominational prayer."


DeadBolt

Yup, we do need more education based on Religion, for all the school's! Oh, and , i get the feeling that if you or anyone of your family even ever 'visit' a court, the last thing you'll be protesting is a picture, it will be the man in a Black Robe with a gavel. (which is exactly why we need more Religion , to stop your progeny from winding up in one). [whistling]


DeadBolt

However, i would like to leave everyone with one very simple concept......... if you are against religion, please, please, don't use any US currency......... Because EVERY THING YOU HAVE EVER BOUGHT using US currency, has the words "IN GOD WE TRUST" behind it! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha So.....ya see, you handle Religion everyday, and if you have anything at all in the way of tangible goods, even your dinner tonight, take solace in the FACT "YOU TRUSTED IN GOD"! [beam]


dc

Everyone has different experiences & see life through their own lense but I remember enjoying Sunday School as a kid. The church wasn't exactly liberal by any means but I just don't remember it being scary. Could be mistaken it's been so long but think we even had a Halloween Horror House one year and it scared me much more than anything I ever heard or saw in the church. We played games, baseball on large field on church grounds in the summer, etc. Geez, just can't figure JR's experience. Church "doctrine" for lack of a better word was pretty mundane compared to my dad's discipline if you got out hand. Most of the time all it took was a certain look. So, corporeal punishment was seldom needed or used.


JohnnyR

Here's a little homework Deadbolt, go research when "In God We Trust" was added to currency. Here's a hint, your mother was probably still alive.



dc, I understand why you can't give a straight answer to the "personal relationship" question. It does seem silly when you actually say it out loud, huh? Please don't even try to say you only believe in a "natural" God without all the other religious nonsense tied to it, doesn't work that way. Don't you understand why you dance around this whole thing like you do?


dc

You can't take "no" for an answer. I told you I had never met a "person" named "God". If by a "personal relationship" or "connection" something other than meeting them in the "flesh" then the answer would be "yes" I believe I do have a "personal relationship" probably much like the 10s or 100s of millions that believe in a Creator (a.k.a. God). Actually, before you and I started bantering I hadn't given it an awful lot of thought. I felt an unusual "connection" at times especially when being alone with only the sound of the wind in the tall pines while hunting as a young man and later aboard ship lying on the fan tail at night with no light pollution looking up and gazing at the magnificence of space and the stars. These are just two examples of of a "connection" to a Creator from my viewpoint. Now that I'm much older my mind has experienced enough in life to more fully understand what life is really all about. In my mind it's much more than the "nothingness" of atheism. If you want to be bitter like Madalyn and all the other atheists because life doesn't fit your thinking help yourself.


dc

In the Declaration of Independence references to the words "God" and "Creator" mean what?


JohnnyR

Already explained this dc, the Declaration of Independence is not a legal document, just a letter to King George (a deeply religious man) explaining we were separating from England. Jefferson (who by later writings shows he valued separation of church and state), was a brilliant writer and wrote the D.O.I in a manner to appeal to the King. Go read the Treaty of Tripoli for a legal document explaining how the US is not a Christian nation. If the founding fathers wanted religion as a basis for this country, it would be in the Constitution. Might want to write this down for next time we argue.



Also, not bitter at all, I enjoy these conversations. I'm not trying to take anybody's religion away, just don't want religion to infiltrate the government. With the advancement of Islam here and in other western countries, we don't need Sharia Law just because the Muslim population gets larger in the future.


dc

You danced around my question but that's okay. I know those words just don't fit your wishful thinking. Saying we weren't a Christian nation was a head fake way back then unlike BO's declaration in more recent times. Obviously Stewart was the only Justice at the time of SC decision to interpret the "Establishment Clause" correctly. Seems so funny how an employee in "leadership role" can't lead a nondenominational devotional that probably causes no physical harm to anyone but can make other decisions that might injury or kill many. Makes so much sense from a historical standpoint. Glad to hear you are not as soft on Sharia as some of your leftist brethren. Again, wishful thinking. How you going to handle them falling all over themselves to one up in inviting it in like your same brethren one upping socialism and Marxism? Guess I misunderstood that you not only didn't want "religion" in the govt but also anywhere near you. We seemed to do quite well as a nation in times of peace and war with our majority Christian values. So, good luck with expunging them because Christianity is embedded in our culture for good reason and you will play the devil getting it unembedded in your lifetime though the leftists especially in education are doing their best. And, you will support their efforts right?


JohnnyR

To be honest, I really don't like religion around me. Watching grown folks pray out loud to a mythical creature kinda freaks me out, saw someone "speak in tongues" once years ago and found it really scary (and creepy). Thought they were having a nervous breakdown or something. Might take a few years but religion really is on it's way out, the only way to halt the decline is to kill the internet. Easy access to information is a sure way to kill ignorance. But don't worry, still enough folks indoctrinating their kids in the cult, so it'll take a while.



I'll let you have the last word, (since I know it kills you not to), and we'll call this thread done.


dc

I was never a regular churchgoer like you evidently were at one time before your "enlightenment", and churches I have attended weren't of a "speaking in tongues" denomination. Don't think I ever witnessed that in any church rather just on TV. Hate to admit it but originally laughed at it. Guess a time or two upon running across it on TV I watched it more than a minute or so to try and decipher if the person was "entranced" enough not to be faking it. Wonder if the fainting is legit?Hey, it probably could be entertaining and possibly safer than bar room brawls and maybe even going to Wal-Mart nowadays. Since you think the Internet is for only the "enlightened" and everything else will be eliminated by it Google "speaking in tongues" and play the video done by the black guy. The site is called "The Beat" according to the presenter. He actually makes a lot of sense in his presentation. Any church that allows or promotes it would do well to view this video to possibly not run people off who are frightened by it. Guess it could get a little rowdy in there at times.


dc

What really should offend is the story just out about 2,200 fetuses found in an abortion doctor's home. Seeing that in the real should scare anyone more than some people gathered in a small rural church speaking in tongues .


dc

"The Left Hopes to Destroy Christianity by Changing It" by Bill Thomas.


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