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Posted: Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:00 pm | Updated: 9:58 am, Thu Jun 26, 2014.

HARKERS ISLAND — Two fisheries associations want a sea turtle stock assessment, as well as observation and interaction reporting requirements for both commercial and recreational fishermen, from the National Marine Fisheries Service, and they are willing to go to court to get them.

This suit, if it goes forward, would be for federal and state agencies failing to enforce the Endangered Species Act as written for protected sea turtles. 

Stevenson Weeks of Beaufort, attorney for the N.C. Fisheries Association and the Carteret County Fisherman’s Association, announced Thursday at a presentation to journalists with the Institute for Journalism and Natural Resources at Core Sound Waterfowl Museum and Heritage Center that he and Wesley C. Cooper, another attorney working with him, sent the NMFS Wednesday a 60-day notice of intent to file a civil action. 

Notice was also sent to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the U.S. Department of Commerce, the U.S. Department of the Interior, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the N.C. Department of Environment and Natural Resources, the N.C. Division of Marine Fisheries and the N.C. Wildlife Resources Commission.  

“Commercial fishermen would love to see the turtle recover and to see restrictions eased,” Mr. Weeks said. “The fishermen are reporting more turtles every year. We want a stock assessment, but in the meantime, we want a little equality. We think all user groups should do their part to help the recovery, not just the commercial fishermen.” 

Patricia Smith, DMF public information officer, confirmed this morning the division has received the notice.

“We’re discussing it with DENR and our legal council,” she said. DMF had no further comment. News-Times contacted the NMFS for a response, but the service wasn’t able to respond by presstime. 

Mr. Weeks said the NCFA hired him to examine the ESA and the management plans created under it. He said that there are several species of protected sea turtles on the list, and all of them, with the exception of the hawksbill sea turtle, are found in North Carolina. These species include the threatened loggerhead, green and marine sea turtles and the endangered Kemps Ridley sea turtle. 

Mr. Weeks said the association’s purpose with its notice is to get the NMFS to conduct a stock assessment of sea turtle populations throughout the United States. They’re also seeking requirements for both commercial and recreational fisheries to be observed for interactions with sea turtles and fishing gear, as well as a requirement for both types of fishermen to report such interactions. 

Mr. Weeks said that currently, while the commercial fishermen must report sea turtle interactions and there’s an observer requirement for the estuarine gill net fishery – due to a settlement for a lawsuit filed by the Karen Beasley Sea Turtle Rescue and Rehabilitation Center against the DMF and the N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission (the state’s fisheries rulemaking body) over sea turtle interactions with gill nets – no such observation or reporting is done for recreational fishing.

“We want observers to determine how large the recreational take (of sea turtles) is,” he said. “Also, there should be areas recreational fishing should be prohibited.” 

A “take” is defined in the ESA as any action that harms, harasses, captures, pursues, hunts, shoots, wounds, traps or kills a protected species. According to the notice of intent, the N.C. Sea Turtle Stranding and Salvage Network reported 28 strandings of endangered or threatened sea turtles between Jan. 1 – Sept. 6, 2013 directly attributable to hook and line fishing; 45 percent of all strandings reported during that timeframe. 

The notice also says boat strikes have contributed to interactions. It said that in recent years, 15-20 percent of live and dead loggerheads seen along the U.S. Atlantic coast and the Gulf of Mexico have sustained injuries from vessel strikes; the NMFS also estimates boat strikes are the second-highest non-fisheries related cause of mortality in loggerheads.  

“Many scientists have said a stock assessment needs to be done; that’s what we want, too.” 

Mr. Weeks said that to date, there has been no stock assessment of sea turtle numbers in the United States. He said that there have been nesting studies done, but these aren’t a good indicator of turtle populations because only female turtles nest and not all females nest every year. 

“The commercial fishermen and many recreational fishermen think the turtles are at or near recovery,” he said.

Mr. Weeks, NCFA Interim Executive Director Jerry Schill and commercial fisherman Bill Hooper of Beaufort stressed that these requests aren’t meant to be hostile to recreational fishermen. Mr. Hooper, who is involved with the legal action, said their motivation is that they need help getting people’s attention to the regulatory pressures the commercial fishermen face. 

“I’m not trying to gouge a person for being a hook and line fishermen, I need his help,” he said. “Is it going to hurt? Yes. But we have to level the playing field so the outcry is such that people will hear.” 

Bradley Styron, owner and operator of Quality Seafood on Cedar Island and MFC member, said he thinks the notice was sent to draw attention to other users impeding the recovery of sea turtles. 

“We need to know the numbers,” he said. “If somebody else is catching the turtles, their recovery may never be reached.” 

Mr. Schill said the NCFA is taking this action for three reasons: to help the turtles recover, fairness in regulations and to create a roadmap to an “end game” for turtles being threatened and endangered. The NCFA has previously supported the state’s observer program by developing a plan to fund it through a new, state-created fund, which the DMF and MFC have both supported. 

“We’re hoping that with our action today, we can have a goal that can be quantified,” he said. “For 50 years I’ve been asked by commercial fishermen ‘if other factors are affecting turtles, why are we the only ones paying for it?’ Now we have a chance to say ‘we’ve done our part.’ ” 

Those served notice of the intent to file legal action are several high profile individuals, including DENR Secretary John Skvarla, DMF Director Dr. Louis Daniel, WRC Executive Director Gordon Meyers, DOI Secretary Sally Jewell, USFWS Director Daniel Ashe, NOAA Administrator Dr. Kathryn Sullivan and DOC Secretary Penny Pritzker.

Contact Mike Shutak at 252-726-7081 ext. 206, email; or follow on Twitter at @mikesccnt.

(Previous report)

HARKERS ISLAND — Officials representing local commercial fishermen announced Thursday afternoon they will file suit against several federal and state agencies for alleged violation of the Endangered Species Act in regards to recreational taking of sea turtles.

The N.C. Fisheries Association teamed with the Carteret County Fisherman’s Association for the action and will be represented by local attorneys at Wheatly, Wheatly, Weeks, Lupton and Massie, a Beaufort firm.

Attorney Stevenson Weeks made the announcement at the Core Sound Waterfowl and History Museum.

The groups announced a 60-day notice of the intent to file the suit that will contend that while previous proceedings have enforced tough restrictions on the commercial fishing industry in regard to incidental captures of the aquatic creatures, the recreational sector remains largely unregulated.

“It is our belief that an accurate, in-water stock assessment will show these turtle species are at, or near recovery and strict regulation is unwarranted in both the commercial and recreational user sectors,” the groups said in a prepared release. “Until that is accomplished, an equal allocation of conservation efforts and management across all user groups and activities which result in incidental takes is necessary and required under the Endangered Species Act to conserve and allow recovery of sea turtles.”

Those served notice of the intent to file legal action are several high profile individuals, including John Skvarla, secretary to the N.C. Department of Environmental and Natural Resources; Dr. Louis Daniel, executive director of the N.C. Division of Marine Fisheries; Gordon Meyers, head of the N.C. Wildlife Resources Commission; Sally Jewel of the U.S. Department of the Interior; Daniel Ashe, Director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service; NOAA head Dr. Kathryn Sullivan; and Penny Pritzker, secretary of the U.S. Department of Commerce.

They are to be served this afternoon with the notice of intent.

Contact Jackie Starkey at 726-7081, ext. 232; email; or follow on Twitter @jackieccnt.   

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  • TURTLEEYEJOE posted at 6:43 am on Sat, Mar 15, 2014.

    TURTLEEYEJOE Posts: 10

    It was the hook that stuck Rocky that wasn't supposed to be in the water. When a comm loses his gear he looks for it. When a wreck loses her gear she rigs up another hook and keeps going. Probably because they are so cheap. Make the hooks 100 dollars apiece and she might not lose as many. Do the mono like car parts. You have to turn the old stuff before you can buy new.

  • clammerhead posted at 9:10 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2014.

    clammerhead Posts: 704

    Wow John, You think TURTLEEYEJOE's dog had no right to be in the water? How about him(?), or his kids? I

    s it OK if they go into the water?

    You heard it here first folks. Not only does John ( who won't disclose his real name for obvious reasons ), thinks his fish hook has a right to be in the water, but TURTLEEYEJOE's dog doesn't...

    Isn't that the same as blaming a turtle for being in the water if he gets hooked?

    Going by John's logic, it must also be the turtle's fault if he gets caught in a gill net...


  • John posted at 3:35 pm on Wed, Mar 12, 2014.

    John Posts: 134

    TURTLEEYEJOE Would you through a stick in a road for spot to go get? You threw a stick in water you had no idea what was in it and you blame someone else. I bet if a shark had bit him it would be there falt for not fishing for sharks enough. How did you know there wasnt oyster shells out there to cut him? It's not the rec, fishermen falt you are not a person with good judgement. I just hope you dont have children you play catch with close to any road. I have noticend we as a whole people we want to blame everyone for our own problems! First the dog would not be in this place if you would have played with him on land where you can see.

  • TURTLEEYEJOE posted at 10:29 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2014.

    TURTLEEYEJOE Posts: 10

    We had a real bad day today. I took my black lab to the shore and threw a stick a few times. All of a sudden he started going crazy. I waded out to find that he was tangled in a stretch of mono and it was wrapped all around him. He had cuts from the fishing line around both front legs and a hook buried in his chest. The vet says he will be alright but it is going to take some time to heal. Tell me again how wrecks don't hurt turtles either.

  • Carteretnative posted at 1:46 pm on Tue, Mar 11, 2014.

    Carteretnative Posts: 1

    It's too bad that forces with vested monetary interests are forcing distance between two groups who both love and appreciate the natural resources of our state that belong to ALL North Carolinians, even transplants.

    Nobody could ever say I didn't love the heritage of my family that made its living fishing for over 250+ years, mostly all in Carteret County--but that heritage and lifestyle just isn't the same today as it used to be. My granddaddy was a SUBSISTENCE fisherman who sold off the excess he didn't give away to buy other things the family needed--or traded for them. I doubt he ever had the ambition to own a fleet of trawlers or even a fish house--he was making a living, plain and simple.

    I have no problem with high profile commercial ventures, either, or the fish houses and processers who make most the money off a working mans catch--it is business, that's all. I have no problem with anybody who wants to take a rod and reel and go fishing, either--it is as much their right as the commercial users of commonly owned waters. My favorite uncle used to take me "hook and lining" as he didn't even consider that "fishing" at all--a fisherman used a net. I guess that since he didn't ever sell his catch, he would be called "recreational" as well, right? Just where do you draw that line, anyway?

    You guys out there who are trying to make folks line up on one side of the other aren't helping the issue, either--commercial fishermen have no more right to the waters than private individuals and vice versa. It is a SHARED resource we are all lucky to have access to at all. And we have to have some regulation, and you all know it, or there are those who would take the last fish, the last clam and the last everything if they could--it's called GREED and making MORE money.

    I have grown up in eastern NC and have seen what overfishing can do--I have seen the effects of "clam kicking" and scallop rakes and nets that take every living thing from the water--and I know people who have and still do take EVERYTHING they can rather than taking what they NEED. You can't have it both ways. It has always been and still is a HARD life, but one of choice for the most part--or necessity. But times change and things have to change along with time. What worked in 1900 won't work today--you will never pass any law that makes EVERYBODY happy.

    It's not just commercial fishing that took away the stocks--add in over development, run off pollution--it's more than one thing--but you can't take and take and take forever.

    I have walked on the banks in the days that you could only keep a few bluefish you caught with a rod and reel TO EAT and seen PILES of them washed up on the shore, dumped from trawlers as they had no market for them. That is pure waste, plain and simple, motivated by GREED.

    The little guy with a small family boat simply isn't the same one as the fellow who owns a FLEET of them, but both are lumped together as "commercial." And the guy who takes his kid to the sound with a rod and reel and a handful of shrimp for bait isn't the group pounding on agencies to stop commercial fishing--but as with our society, the LOUD ones are the ones who get heard, and they incite others who may just have some plain common sense to forget that they do, making this a battle which can have no winners, ever.

    All the folks on the wayside, like me, need to look beyond the obvious and find a common ground that treats both sides fairly and at the same time, protect the natural resources we share for future generations--that should be the goal of EVERYBODY who voices an opinion.

    You have no right to treat me as the "enemy" because at this point in time I prefer to fish with a hook and line and not a net--so back off. It's my heritage, too, and the family dues were paid a long, long time ago.

    Some of you "commercial" supporters are just as bad or worse than the radical recreational folks--but you're getting attention, for sure. The thing I don't understand is why anybody with a lick of sense would poke a stick in a hornet nest and go on the attack towards every private boat owner who might own a fishing rod in the process--the people in the western part of the state have as much right to the water as those in the east--and there are a lot more of THEM out there who might just support you in some ways if you didn't attack them in a frontal assault. It makes me wonder who is bankrolling what these days...but you are sure making the lawyers happy!

  • clammerhead posted at 11:16 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2014.

    clammerhead Posts: 704

    I was sitting around this evening, thinking that I may be having too much fun with this thread, and maybe ought to do some research before commenting further...

    This lead me to thinking about how many turtles are really out there. I figured that since the way that the turtle population is evaluated was to count the number of nest from females, this is what I should do...

    This inspired me to go walk along the beach with a red globe flashlight like the turtle activist do. I looked, and I walked, and I walked, and I looked...Despite all of my searching, I couldn't find a single turtle nest...

    Now we have it... They are all extinct, so there is no more reason to try to save them, and all regulations concerning them are mute... I guess now the lawsuit doesn't need to go forward, and everyone can fish, and ride as fast as you want in your boats...

    You all are very welcome, and let me know if there is anything else I can do to help.


  • SEABASS posted at 7:03 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2014.

    SEABASS Posts: 62

    Clammerhead Again you are wrong, You did not teach us to fish for free like you want people to think. It was for a price and when people understood they could buy there own boat and not pay a few houndred dollars everytime they want to go fishing. They stoped needing you as much.You would sell out everything and everyone for a price that what you do.You take our natural resources and sell them. And thats why most commercial harvest of the past has long been stoped. You dont care as long as you are payed. Oh and the war between the sorth and south was not about slavery, Read your histrey book, Stay off bet and learn the facts. Next If you want to be with the gay's go on get you a rainbow flag and start liking hary chest's i dont care. Thats your choice. But in the end it comes to this you are just like the tobacco farmers of old d you have past you'r need. You are not needed like you once where like it or not. And the end of your profession is near. Good luck.

  • TURTLEEYEJOE posted at 4:38 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2014.

    TURTLEEYEJOE Posts: 10

    If the comms taught the wrecks how to fish it means that the comms are better fishermen than teachers. If not the wrecks could catch fish and wouldn't be crying about there not being any fish. The fish are out there you just got to be smart enough to catch them.

  • clammerhead posted at 12:50 pm on Mon, Mar 10, 2014.

    clammerhead Posts: 704

    Yet again, we see a recreational activist's representation of the truth. We get a little bit of it, but not the whole story..

    When commercial fishermen started lobbying back in the 30's, it was lobbying the government for fair treatment, and protection against things like imports, ineffective/over-regulation, and dealer issues...It was not against the recreational industry...Back then, all fishing groups worked together, and many ( like myself ) were active in both industries... Unlike today where the recreational activist are lobbying for total control of the resources, and the demise of the commercial industry..

    True it is, that many commercial fishermen supplemented their income by guiding, and chartering... However there never was a war among the two sectors until the 80's when groups like the CCA., and it's ilk started to try to put a stop to commercial fishing, one bite at a time...

    Most commercial fishermen are also recreational fishermen, and most commercial fishermen will give advice to recreational fishermen if they are treated with respect. However when you snap at the dog, the dog snaps back...

    Once again we see an example of how the recreational fishing activist want to make it look like the commercial fishermen started this fight, but look into the post from SEABASS. It clearly tells you that commercial fishermen taught ( and still do ) recreational fishermen many things about fishing, not the hatred commercial fishermen are depicted as portraying...

    All this lawsuit has asked for is equality, truth, and accurate data....

    Slaves wanted to be treated equally, and this nation went to war with itself. Women wanted to be treated equally, and they marched in the streets, and petitioned in the courts. Gays wanted to be treated equally, and they did the same..

    Now that commercial fishermen have started marching in the streets, petitioning in the courts, and are ready to go to war over equality, go ahead and mark your place in history as to which side you stood on...


  • SEABASS posted at 5:34 pm on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    SEABASS Posts: 62

    Clammerhead You are wrong on your last post about one thing! The commercial fishermen started the whole lobbying thing back in the early 40's or before and it only grew as time went on. But back in the 30's commercial fishermen started giving fishing guides and charging people to SHOW THEM how to catch fish. So as time went on people started buying there own boats and started fishing with out using commercial fishermen and the commercial fishermen didn't like it but it was to late. Then the rec fishermen started lobbying just like the commercial fishermen where doing. And it has growen more and more. But the commercial fishermen say the rec, fishermen are bad and low and sorry for doing it but YOU GUYS showed them how to do it! So i dont understand why you and the other comm, fishermen dislike the rec, fishermen just because they did what you did! If they are all bad for doing it what does it make you for doing it first? Greed is what lead the fall of commrecial fishermen! You charged to show people how to fish and where to fish and now they dont need you any longer. So wht do you blame them?? Thats all i have to say,

  • clammerhead posted at 12:00 pm on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    clammerhead Posts: 704

    fancis, Not exactly....Many recreational fishing activist are battling for control, and most commercial fishermen are just battling for access, and fairness...

    The recreational fishing activist are using dirty, underhanded, and false tactics, while the commercial fishermen simply got together and filed a lawsuit asking for equality and truth...

    As far as the lawyers go; The recreational fishing activist have been using them extensively for decades, but the commercial fishermen groups have in comparison, not hardly used many lawyers at all...

    The times and pressure from the recreational fishing activist have brought commercial fishermen to the point that it is either " Lawyer up " or lose everything...

    I feel quite certain that if there were fairness in regulation implement, and accurate assessments done, there would be far less need for the lawyers.


  • clammerhead posted at 11:28 am on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    clammerhead Posts: 704

    I don't usually post links on CCNT threads, bu tI think this one needs to be shared..


  • francis posted at 7:50 am on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    francis Posts: 2383

    This whole thing is a battle for control of a resource. We all know it. Turtles, snails, birds , etc. are just the tools used to get the job done. These critters are doing fine but the advocates for this cause and that cause would have you believe they are being slaughtered daily. Actually they are. There are many more miles of discarded fishing line that entangle as well as any gill net ever made. Used to be common practice to dump a spool on the way out or in, to get rid of worn line. Been told it still is. Add in the plastic ice bags, balloons and beer cans, the rec. industry really isn't quite so green. Pompous but not as environmentally concerned as they make themselves out to be.
    I realize it is about jobs, jobs on both sides. Turf wars have always gone on in the fisheries. Trawlers vs netters vs long liners vs harpooners vs lobster trappers and it goes on and on today. One could say it is the nature of the beast. All this conflict will continue till the last fish is gone and be replaced with conflict over who took the last fish. Once again, only the lawyers will profit from all this, always the lawyers. Like the turkey and black vultures, they can smell a conflict a brewing and fight for their slice of the pie.

  • TURTLEEYEJOE posted at 1:13 am on Sun, Mar 9, 2014.

    TURTLEEYEJOE Posts: 10

    It's about time someone stood up to these bullies. Enough is enough. The wrecks need to stop blaming comms for killing turtles when the wrecks kill as many or more than the comms. The lawsuit tells it all. Wrecks kill 47% of the turtles and boat strikes kill 20%. There is 100 times more wrecks than comms so there has to be more turtles killed by the wrecks.

  • Osprey posted at 8:52 pm on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    Osprey Posts: 405

    and the winner is..... Wheatley Wheatley Weeks & Lupton

  • clammerhead posted at 4:25 pm on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    clammerhead Posts: 704

    francis, Do you really think that would work?

    It just isn't quite that simple...

    However this is a very important issue, and does need all the attention it is getting and more... People are losing work, atrocities are being committed, and fairness has been thrown out of the window...

    This has nothing to do with feel good fluff. This about people's lives, and livelihoods...

    As for funding, I am very interested in where the funding will come from myself. I recon ALL of the people that have been profiting from fishing will just have to pay their due now....


  • francis posted at 3:38 pm on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    francis Posts: 2383

    If the two fisheries associations want a country wide sea turtle count, why don't they just do it themselves rather than expect the taxpayers to foot the bill? Plenty of other things that really matter need to be done and this is not one of them. Why waste money on this feel good fluff? The Beasley turtle kissers have plenty of donors . They should fund this turtle count. Geeze, there is no end to this. Think I'll go out and have a turtle burger.

  • clammerhead posted at 8:42 am on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    clammerhead Posts: 704

    Wrong John. Most commercial infractions are reported... By the fishermen, trip observers, and others that have been putting all the blame on commercial fishermen for decades in order to put them out of business...

    Now the turtles have come home to nest...

    I think this will work out quite well..


  • clammerhead posted at 8:37 am on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    clammerhead Posts: 704

    francis, Exactly...

    We are not talking about pets here, we are talking about a recognized food source.

    Mama taught me to not play with my food when I was just a lad....


  • clammerhead posted at 8:35 am on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    clammerhead Posts: 704

    No Wake zone all the way to the Cape? Think again.....

    This is not just a State issue anymore. Read the Letter of Intent. This is now a Federal issue.

    200 miles offshore, around the entire United States, including Hawaii and Alaska.


  • PINEYPOINTER posted at 1:47 am on Sat, Mar 8, 2014.

    PINEYPOINTER Posts: 53

    Lets also put a no wake law from the channel going to the lighthouse'all inside the hook and a mile off the beach from beaufort inlet to cape point from may to oct.this area is loaded with sea turtles during that time.AND INFORCE IT!Just as the mannatees are protected in florida with no wake zones in inside waters soi should the turtles be protected here!!!!THERE IS NO TELLING HOW MANY TURTLES ARE HIT BY BOATS AND OUTBOARD PROPS DURING THAT TIME OF YR.IN THESE AREAS!!!IF YA REALLY WANT TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT SAVING THE TURTLES INPLEMENT THAT LAW.

  • John posted at 3:27 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    John Posts: 134

    There is only one thing i dont understand. How can this work out most infractions the commercial guys have are never reported eather.

  • francis posted at 2:32 pm on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    francis Posts: 2383

    Saving turtles for what? They are a food source in other parts of the world but then so are cats and dogs. Not totally sure about cats but in a pinch...... This has a Pacific Sea lion ring to it and we have all seen and heard about them. This is a battle for control of a resource, pure and simple. After this, what will be next?

  • clammerhead posted at 9:42 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    clammerhead Posts: 704

    Fool, one more thing for now...Remember this is not about gill netters.

    It is all about saving turtles, right?


  • clammerhead posted at 9:27 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    clammerhead Posts: 704

    Fool, something else you should know....

    There is a petition supporting gill net fishermen at the link below. At this time there are 800 supporters that have signed it, and surely many more will.

    Since you might be facing some difficulties that won't allow you to fish with the same disregard to resource preservation, and stock rehabilitation, as currently is allowed, you might not be able to get all the fish you want anymore, let me suggest that you also sign the petition so the professionals can keep you supplied with fresh local seafood...


  • clammerhead posted at 9:13 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    clammerhead Posts: 704

    Looks like the party has started with ClammerFool leading the procession. I recon it is obvious what kind of parade it will be..

    For years, commercial fishermen have asked for equal representation, equal enforcement, and accurate data. Now there is a lawsuit pending that will put those things into place, you whine like it is an attack...

    The best you can come up with is that now the light will now shine on gill netters. That shows where you got the fool part of your name. The light has been shining on gill netters for years. Now everyone gets to see what kind of creatures have been hiding in the dark...

    It is sad that you lost your temper about it, and went to all caps. This shows that you have not only lost your temper, but the argument too. If your ilk were as innocent as it/you claim, then there should not even bother you in the slightest...

    BTW, I think you are a little late on inviting Mr. Weeks to bring it. Obviously, he has already brought it...

    Welcome to the New World, Sunshine...


  • morehood city res posted at 8:55 am on Fri, Mar 7, 2014.

    morehood city res Posts: 299

    this is completely fair, if the turtle hospital can file lawsuits why can't anyone else. just because the rec. fishing industry is much larger doesn't mean you can't try and tackle it. kind of like a david and goliath. how many turtles are also hit by dingbatters during the summer frenzy of boats criss crossing the water. not to mention the affect that beach front development has on nesting turtles...beach towns should be added to the lawsuit since they perpetuate ocean front structures and disorienting lights.

  • ClammerFool posted at 6:52 pm on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    ClammerFool Posts: 23

    We are oh so thankful for this lawsuit from such a delusional group of fishermen!

    It's time to shine a light on our horrible ungrateful and whinny gill net fishermen who want to take down everyone with them - our state-wide 830 large mesh gill netters who makes less than a million dollars a year in total income want to challenge the $2 Billion dollar recreational fishery in NC.



  • justrite posted at 5:45 pm on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    justrite Posts: 162

    It's about time! Put up or shut up, then give back what you took from the fishermen. Can't wait to see and hear the excuses now.

  • clammerhead posted at 1:53 pm on Thu, Mar 6, 2014.

    clammerhead Posts: 704

    Well, imagine that....



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